Author: Ed Panek
Date: 16:00:24 05/13/01
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On May 13, 2001 at 17:31:14, Robert Raese wrote: >On May 12, 2001 at 19:04:10, Ed Panek wrote: > >>On May 12, 2001 at 15:56:42, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >> >>>On May 12, 2001 at 15:44:36, Aaron Tay wrote: >>> >>>>On May 12, 2001 at 15:26:13, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 12, 2001 at 14:43:12, Chris Kantack wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I guess I'm on the side that Kramnik (having access to Deep Fritz months ahead >>>>>>of time), will have little trouble winning the match. Indeed, he may be able >>>>>>to play the entire match with 99% of the moves already "practiced". >>>>> >>>>>I doubt that Kramnik has an 8 processor cpu at home so he cannot "prepare" >>>>>anything unless he own or have access to identical hardware. On an 8 processor >>>>>cpu it would be a whole different game as to just playing against a dual or >>>>>single cpu, the program running on 8 processors would look deeper and come up >>>>>with bettter moves! >>>> >>>>You make it seem >>>>like Kramnik is going to beat fritz at home, [after numerous takebacks] >>>>then memorise the moves and then repeat them ..LOL . >>> >>>Maby you should read my post again.. where in the above post do i claim or imply >>>that Kramnik is going to beat Fritz (at any hardware) with takebacks?? >>>If Kramnik finds a winning line against Fritz 7 on a single processor cpu, then >>>i am quite sure that it will not be a winning line on an 8 processor cpu because >>>of the simple fact that he would get into a different game on the 8 pr unit than >>>on the single cpu that was my point, and i think it is important to remember >>>that when talking about how "easy" it will be for Kramnik when he can prepare >>>month's in advance. Also Kramnik have no way of knowing if that copy he gets 3 >>>month's before is infact the same as the one he is going to face!! >>> >>>Regards >>>Jonas >> >> >>Jonas, >> >> I wish I could agree with you, but 8 processors vs 1 at standard time >>control will not allow the program to overcome any deficiencies Kramnik will >>find in it. Searching one more ply for example will not change a poor evaluation >>for a position. A program that doesnt understand how to play certain positions >>will not "learn" how to play them by looking one ply deeper. 8 processors will >>help Fritz tactically, but Kramnik will have already conceded tactics to the >>beast on his home PIII 800 or anything else for that matter. A nominal computer >>today is better than Kramnik at tactics. Speeding it up isnt going to help if >>Kramnik understands the positions to avoid. Once he gets the program home he >>will _LEARN_ how to draw and then beat it. >> >> For an analogy imagine a boxer and a wrestler are going to have a street >>fight. The boxer will do what he does best and so will the wrestler. I would put >>my money on the wrestler. The reason being is that in order for the boxer to win >>he must force the wrestler to box which is difficult. In order for the wrestler >>to win he must force the boxer to wrestle which is easier to do.here the boxer >>has to land a devastating blow to the boxer to win. If the boxer and the wrestle >>engage or go to the floor it is all over. Kramnik will do the same...play safe >>openings and proceed with caution not allowing the computer any short term >>attacks. THe position will look even or that Fritz is winning, but in reality as >>the endgame approaches Kramnik will have a plan to beat or draw the computer. >> >> >>Ed > >good analogy ed... are you a fan of ultimate fighting? i am, and have been for >years... and that is the biggest lesson the world of martial arts has learned >with the advent and rise of "no holds barred" fighting competitions which match >style against style, sort of like the old "kumite" only not fighting to the >death... fighting until one fighter is out cold or taps the mat to signal >submission... > >the ground is the grappler's "ocean" and once he gets you there, he is the shark >and you don't know how to swim... the boxers, kung fu, karate, and muy thai >practitioners have all had to add ground skills to their repetoire to stay >competitive in the "brave new" fight world. > >your analogy got me thinking again how all forms of conflict, mental or >physical, follow certain basic laws... thanks for the post. :) thanks- yes I am a fan of the UFC. I remember watching Royce Gracie subdue just about any person he went up against. He only weighed about 160lbs, but he knew how to fight like a Boa Constrictor. I havent watched the latest ones... I also remember Dan Severyn and Oleg Taktarov taking a complete beating in previous fights :) Ed
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