Author: Kurt Utzinger
Date: 22:42:21 05/13/01
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On May 14, 2001 at 00:58:07, Uri Blass wrote: >On May 13, 2001 at 16:25:32, Kurt Utzinger wrote: > >>On May 13, 2001 at 14:40:47, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On May 13, 2001 at 14:29:01, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>> >>>>On May 13, 2001 at 06:55:49, Sune Larsson wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 13, 2001 at 02:48:09, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Yesterday there was a hot discussion abouth the strenght of chess computers. I >>>>>>said that no program has more than 2500 ELO and that "weaker" players can fight >>>>>>with good chances to draw and that I could not understand why the GM's do so >>>>>>hard against the computers. On the other hand I tried to find some explanation >>>>>>for that. Below now my last ten games, four times a loss and six times a draw, >>>>>>that means a score of 30 percent. >>>>>> >>>>>>ChessBase7 says: >>>>>> >>>>>>Average rating Utzinger = 1978 ELO (performance = 2341 ELO) >>>>>>Average rating computers = 2490 ELO (performance = 2127 ELO) >>>>> >>>>>>snip >>>>> >>>>>Hello Kurt, >>>>> >>>>>thanks for your games! I found them very interesting and very well worth >>>>>a closer look. Some reflections: >>>>> >>>>>I think you're showing a solid play that actually lies a couple of hundred >>>>>points above your present rating. Furthermore 40 moves in 40' is 3 times >>>>>faster than traditional tournament level. From my own experience I know >>>>>that it's sometimes very hard to hold your game together in the last 10-15 >>>>>moves before the first time control. The programs punish you for every >>>>>slight mistake! You show a nice opening knowledge with positional play as >>>>>white and a preference for putting your pawns on the white squares as black - >>>>>Caro Kann-French-Dutch. Overall you have a good positional understanding, >>>>>therebye neutralizing tactical attempts from the programs. The endgame looks >>>>>okey and you're familiar with the famous art of doing nothing...;) >>>>> >>>>>Alltogether this gives me the impression of a player worth more than ELO 1978. >>>>>Unless your tactics sucks bigtime of course...;) Haven't seen anything of that >>>>>in these 10 games though. >>>>> >>>>>In some games I noticed a tendency for you to swap pieces /after good openings/, >>>>>in an attempt to reduce the pressure /and possibly out of respect for the >>>>>opponent/, which in fact created problems for you. >>>>> >>>>>It's hard to evaluate the strength of chess programs, according to human >>>>>formulas, since they can alter between 1700-2700, depending on the actual >>>>>position on the board. All the comp-comp testing might also contribute >>>>>to the development of a certain kind of computer playing style. For me, that >>>>>makes the experiments of CS Tal, Crafty, Rebel and Gambit Tiger particularly >>>>>interesting, since they also /or mostly?!/ focus on human opponents. >>>>> >>>>>Sune >>>> >>>>Hello Sune >>>> >>>>Very well commented. Unfortunately it is hardly possible to win for a player of >>>>my strength against the best programs at time control 40/40'. For me it is >>>>always a good training to play such matches. And it must also be mentioned that >>>>there are two programs that only by way of exception allow me to draw: These two >>>>are: Hiarcs732 and MChessPro. >>>>Regards >>>>Kurt >>> >>>I am interested to know what is your performance in the last 10 games that you >>>played against humans and when did you play these games. >>> >>>Uri >> >>Hello Uri >> >>I have checked even further back, my last 29 games played against humans in our >>club tournament, tournaments in our region, Swiss team champion ship, with the >>following results: >> >> >>Utzinger = rated games 29 [average ELO 1935] performance = 2072 ELO >>Opponents = rated games 29 [average ELO 1999] performance = 1856 ELO >> >>Total 29 games = 7 wins / 22 draws >>Games played with White pieces = 13 [1x win / 12x draw] >>Games played with Black pieces = 16 [6x win / 10 x draw] >> >>Kurt > >Thanks for the information. >It seems that you are better than your rating because you did not lose a single >game against opponents that are supposed to be better than you. > >I suspect that you can also get a significant number of draws if you play >against IM's and GM's. > >It is also possible that you can get better result against humans if you decide >not to agree to a draw in equal positions unless it is a simple draw even if you >do not have a plan to win and to continue to play when you hope for a mistake of >the opponent. > >Uri Hello Uri You have found an important point: my team leader has often said to me my results could be substantially better if I would not agree to a draw too soon. I am working on that and the main thing to learn for me is to better make use of my time when playing humans. Kurt
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