Author: Miguel A. Ballicora
Date: 12:22:03 05/17/01
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On May 17, 2001 at 15:06:52, Jim Bell wrote: >On May 17, 2001 at 10:57:03, José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba wrote: > >>On May 17, 2001 at 08:27:48, Jim Bell wrote: >> >>>On May 16, 2001 at 13:43:47, Alex Boby wrote: >>> >>>> I always understood that it was 50 half moves, but someone has recently >>>>claimed that it is 50 full moves... >>>> >>>>Article 10.12: >>>> >>>>"The game is drawn when a player having the move claims a draw and demonstrates >>>>that at least the last 50 consecutive moves have been made by each side without >>>>the capture of any piece and without the movement of any pawn." >>>> >>>>This is a little ambiguous I think... >>>> >>>>Which is it? >>>> >>>>Alex >>> >>>Apparently the version of the FIDE rules which I downloaded last year are >>>obsolete, as the corresponding Article number has changed, and the law itself >>>is different: previously, a player could claim a draw just BEFORE making >>>his/her/its 50th "no progress" move. >>> >>>The pertinent text is: >>> >>>"9.3. The game is drawn, upon a correct claim by the player >>>having the move, if ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> >>>(a) he writes on his scoresheet, and declares to the arbiter >>>his intention to make a move which shall result in the last >>>50 moves having been made by each player without the movement >>>of any pawn and without the capture of any piece, or >>> >>>(b) the last 50 consecutive moves have been made by each >>>player without the movement of any pawn and without the >>>capture of any piece." In other words, the opponent played the 100th ply without P move or capture. >>> >>>I don't remember from where I downloaded this version of the rules. Can anyone >>>point me to a website which maintains a current version of "The FIDE Laws of >>>Chess"? I couldn't find them on www.fide.com (maybe I overlooked them!?). I >>>found several versions with a search engine, but I don't know if they are >>>current. >>> >>>Thanks in advance, >>> >>>Jim >> >>Try >>http://handbook.fide.com/handbook.cgi?level=E&level=E1 >>It seems that your version is more current. >>José. > > >Thank you for the precise URL. I don't know how I missed it! Actually, I rushed >my initial post because I wanted to warn everybody about these two versions of >the 50-move rule, before this thread died. It seems to me that the version which >was quoted by Alex Boby could be interpreted as NOT permitting a player who has >just completed the 100th consecutive no-progress half-move to claim a draw, >since once they complete their move they are no longer the "player having the >move". By contrast, the version at the link which you have provided is >unambiguous: it DOES permit such a player to claim a draw. Since your link is to >the official FIDE site, I will update my files accordingly. You still have to be on the move to claim, you can say that the move that you plan to move will the the 50th consecutive move (100th ply). This will be the same philoshophy as the 3 moves repetition. It makes more sense. Regards, Miguel > >Thanks again, > >Jim
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