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Subject: Re: One mate to solve...

Author: Heiner Marxen

Date: 11:35:47 05/19/01

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On May 19, 2001 at 08:13:18, leonid wrote:

>On May 18, 2001 at 23:56:01, Heiner Marxen wrote:
>
>>On May 17, 2001 at 13:34:19, leonid wrote:
>>
>>>Hi!
>>>
>>>If you would like to solve one mate then try this:
>>>
>>>[D]qr3rqB/3k3B/N1qqq1Nb/Q1n1n2Q/1qQ1Qq1Q/2RPR2Q/Q2K3Q/1q3q1b w - -
>>>
>>>Please indicate your result.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Leonid.
>>
>>Hmm, well.  Since you didn't say that it is "very easy", not even mentioned
>>a simple "easy", I should have expected that: there is no mate in 10.
>>Chest on K7/600 with 350 MB hash needed 1.8 hours for this.  The effective
>>branching factor from depth 9 to 10 is around 6, so I'm not sure that
>>I can go further than depth 11.  To be continued...
>
>Hi!
>
>I already wrote my message when my connection was broken. Now will be very
>brief. This is position in 11 since you looked alread all 10 moves.

Yes, according to Chest you are right.  On K7/600 with 350 MB hash, burning
49980.47 sec (833.0 min) (13.9 hrs) Chest finds a unique key move.
Here is just the PV:

Nxc5+ Qbxc5 Nxe5+  Qfxe5 Qhxe6+ Qdxe6 Qxe6+  Qcxe6 Qc7+   Qcxc7 Rxc7+  Kxc7
Q5xe5+ Qxe5  Qhxe5+ Kb6  Q5d4+  Kb5  Qd7+   Kb6  Bd4#

>I went only first 8 moves and it took 1 hour 56 min. My branching was not that
>good as your. It was very stable between 4 and 7 moves and was 9.5. Only between
>7 and 8 it fell slightly to 8.3.

Chest timing for branching factor:
#  3      0.03  0.96         76-         0
#  4      0.20  1.13        653-         0
#  5      1.44  1.35       3947-         0
#  6      9.30  1.63      26007-         0
#  7     68.47  2.07     209752-         0
#  8    296.66  2.82     917079-         0
#  9   1097.25  4.13    3622460-      3426
# 10   6444.29  5.03   25330293-  16582427
# 11  48443.30  5.45  202160784- 193412883

 4-> 5: 7.200
 5-> 6: 6.458
 6-> 7: 7.362
 7-> 8: 4.332
 8-> 9: 3.698
 9->10: 5.873
10->11: 7.517

Beetween 7 and 8 my BF is also much smaller.  At the end it rises, again,
what is not uncommon near a solution.  Overall my BF is much smaller than 9.5.


>Will try today to read somewhat from your program description for fun. Yesterday
>when I went to read few lines (it is not code but description that I am looking
>for) I had the impression that it was written on other planet. Nothing in
>commune!

I hope you like reading from another planet :-)

> Nevertheless, very often I have the impression that our programs react
>in similar way for similar positions.

Sure, basically both are mate provers, so they have a lot in common,
regarding the functionality (even if the sources do not look similar).

Have a nice weekend!
Heiner



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