Author: stuart taylor
Date: 17:05:37 05/20/01
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On May 20, 2001 at 15:45:16, Peter Berger wrote: >Posted by stuart taylor on May 20, 2001 at 09:45:15: > >In Reply to: For Stuart Taylor: CM8000 - CM6000 2.5-1.5 posted by Peter Berger >on May 20, 2001 at 09:25:34: > > >>Er! Whaaat???? Was I wrong all along????????Can this be believed? > >>Well, atleast it's a promissing sample for CM8000, but still very slight and >>short compared to what I believed I've been seeing to counteract it. > >Now that already sounds a little different: "believed I've been seeing" ;-) > >As far as I remember there have been a lot of negative fan remarks about CM8000 >while the match against Deep Fritz was running without any further facts given. > >Then there was one guy who did a match against CM6000 on a single computer >without taking care of disabling the CM6000 usage of CPU while it's the >opponent's turn . > >We know very little about the strength of CM6000 - look at the little number of >games against top competitors in the SSDF list . > >I haven't seen a single post so far giving any evidence that CM6000 is stronger >than CM8000 but I admit I probably missed a few . > >Maybe the one who claims that CM8000 is a rip-off and people should get their >money back should do some tests himself ;-) ?? > >I don't think many tests with CM6000 will be done as it is quite time-consuming >to play manual games . > >>But thanks! > >>S.Taylor (gasp! gasp!) > >OK ( as I had to sit next to my computers due to work anyway ) - I continued a >little : > >CM8000 - CM6000 1/2 1/2 1-0 1/2 0-1 0-1 1/2 1/2 > >So CM6000 fought back ; but let's talk about the match of CM6000 against Junior5 >again : see how you can get anything from 0.0-2.0 to 1.5-0.5 for CM8000 out of >the above sample easily ? > >My impression watching the games was that CM8000 and CM6000 are very similar and >of compairable strength . Opening books seem to be identical - to know which one >_really_ is better in a direct match against each other you'll need more than >100 games IMHO . > >And maybe CM8000 would win the next 5 games straight : that's quite conceivable >. > >IMHO the above little result is enough to dismiss the theory that CM8000 SIMPLY >SUCKS ! > >Games 5-8: PGN availlable on request . > >If it is clear which one is better in a direct match we still won't know which >one is better against other opponents - you see it is basically hopeless :-) . > >I think the Chessmaster fans do a lot of tests and produce a lot of data - yet , >the results could be better if people worked together . > >Take the personality challenge - several people come up with new personalities >every other day ; and there are a lot of test tournaments, but I have never seen >any test result posted on which parameter change has a clear positive or a clear >negative effect . > >But I am not in the CM "business" - I simply appreciate _your_ passionate and >enthusiastic search for THE BEST OF THEM ALL ! > >I really hope you will have much fun in this last year you'll devote to >computerchess . > >pete Thanks for such a helpful post, and all the special testing and for the encouragement! S.Taylor S.Taylor
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