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Subject: Re: Question regarding GS 2930 test suite position #13

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 12:59:33 05/21/01

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On May 21, 2001 at 15:15:04, Ingo Bauer wrote:

>On May 21, 2001 at 13:06:51, Andreas Schwartmann wrote:
>
>>I received an e-mail today asking me for help on GS 2930 test suite position
>>#13. My chess abilities are not good enough, I am afraid, but what do you think
>>about this? Here comes the mail:
>>
>>Andreas,
>>
>>I have been using the GS 2930 test suite to estimate the rating for the
>>Deep Blue system.  This is for use in a paper we are preparing.  I
>>downloaded the test suite from your web site.  There are three problems
>>that the system does not solve in 20 minutes.  One of them in particular,
>>#13, is not solved even for very deep searches.  The given move is Bxg7,
>>but Deep Blue Jr. gives a different move that has a somewhat higher score
>>than Bxg7.  The PV follows.  Do you have any opinion on this?  Thank you.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Murray
>>
>>Rh5 Qc2 Qe7 Qb2 Ne5 Rc1 g4 Rf1 Kf1 Qb1 Kg2 Qe4 Kh3 Qb1 Rf5 Qf1 Kh4 Qg2 h3
>>Qa8 Rf7 +1.49
>>
>>--
>>
>>Any comments?
>>Andreas
>
>(D)2r2rk1/p1q1bpp1/1p6/n2R4/8/P4N2/1B2QPPP/5RK1 w - -
>
>Following Kasparov Bxg7 is the winning move. Its from a Game Kasparov - Poritsch
>1983. On a 845 Mhz Celeron with 256 MB Hash Deep Shreeder wants to play it after
>38 min. More infos about the complete Test at:
>http://mitglied.tripod.de/ChessBits/index.html
>And the un the buttom line GS290. Its in German but the Test should be
>understandable.
>
>Engine: Deep Shredder
>by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
> 11.01	 2:54 	+0.88 	1.Nd2 Bd6 2.Ne4 Bxh2+ 3.Kh1 f5 4.Ng5 Qc6 5.Qe6+ Qxe6 6.Nxe6
>Rfe8 7.Nxg7 Re2 8.Kxh2 Rxb2 9.Nxf5 (30.742.601) 176.5
> 12.01	 7:22 	+0.89 	1.Nd2 Rcd8 2.Qg4 f6 3.Qe6+ Rf7 4.Rc1 Bc5 5.Ne4 Rxd5 6.Qxd5
>Nb7 7.Rd1 Qf4 8.Qe6 (78.040.210) 176.3
> 13.01	21:10 	+0.73 	1.Nd2 Rcd8 2.Qg4 f6 3.Qe6+ Rf7 4.Rc1 Bc5 5.Ne4 Rxd5 6.Qxd5
>Qd7 7.Qh5 Nb3 8.Rd1 (221.098.760) 173.9
> 13.02	37:58 	+0.74++ 	1.Bxg7 Kxg7 2.Ne5 Rfd8 3.Qg4+ Kf8 4.Nd7+ Rxd7 5.Rxd7 Qc4
>6.Qh5 a6 7.Qh8+ (407.172.076) 178.7
>best move: Bb2xg7 time: 53:16.567 min  n/s: 178.954  CPU 96.4%  nodes:
>572.037.826

I read also the relevant position in a book of kasparov.
I think that +0.74 is not convincing.
Bxg7 does not lose material but white gets only Rook and a pawn and exposed king
for bishop and knight.
I am not convinced if white is winning and the position seems to be unclear to
me.

If Deep blue JR's move gives a clear advantage for white then it is clearly
better

Here is Deep Fritz's evaluation after Bxg7 Kxg7

New position
2r2r2/p1q1bpk1/1p6/n2R4/8/P4N2/4QPPP/5RK1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Deep Fritz:

2.Qxe7--
  -+  (-4.78)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
2.Qxe7-- Qxe7
  -+  (-7.31)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
2.Rxa5!
  -+  (-5.75)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
2.Rxa5! bxa5
  -+  (-2.91)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
2.Rfd1!
  -+  (-2.87)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
2.Rfd1! Bxa3
  -+  (-1.84)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
2.Qe3!
  -+  (-1.41)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
2.Qe3--
  -+  (-1.75)   Depth: 2/6   00:00:00
2.Qe3-- Rfe8 3.Qd4+ Bf6
  -+  (-1.87)   Depth: 2/6   00:00:00
2.Qd3!
  -+  (-1.84)   Depth: 2/6   00:00:00
2.Qd3! Rh8
  -+  (-1.72)   Depth: 2/6   00:00:00
2.Qd3 Nc4 3.Rd7
  -+  (-1.72)   Depth: 3/10   00:00:00  1kN
2.Ne5!
  -+  (-1.69)   Depth: 3/10   00:00:00  2kN
2.Ne5! Nc4 3.Qg4+ Kh8 4.Nxc4
  -+  (-1.47)   Depth: 3/10   00:00:00  2kN
2.Nd4!
  -+  (-1.44)   Depth: 3/10   00:00:00  3kN
2.Nd4! Rh8
  -+  (-1.41)   Depth: 3/11   00:00:00  3kN
2.Nd4--
  -+  (-1.72)   Depth: 4/12   00:00:00  5kN
2.Nd4-- Rh8 3.Qg4+ Kf8 4.Rh5
  -+  (-2.12)   Depth: 4/12   00:00:00  6kN
2.Ne5!
  -+  (-2.09)   Depth: 4/12   00:00:00  6kN
2.Ne5! Bd6 3.Qg4+ Kh8 4.Qh5+ Kg8
  µ  (-1.31)   Depth: 4/17   00:00:00  12kN
2.Ne5!
  µ  (-1.00)   Depth: 5/16   00:00:00  27kN
2.Ne5!
  ³  (-0.69)   Depth: 6/18   00:00:00  70kN
2.Ne5!
  ³  (-0.37)   Depth: 7/20   00:00:00  197kN
2.Ne5! Bg5 3.Nd7 Qd8 4.Qe5+ Bf6 5.Qg3+ Kh6 6.Qh3+ Kg7 7.Qg4+ Kh8
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 7/22   00:00:00  401kN
2.Ne5 Rcd8 3.Nd7 f6 4.Nxf8 Bxf8 5.Rxd8 Qxd8 6.Qg4+ Kh8
  ²  (0.44)   Depth: 8/23   00:00:01  951kN
2.Ne5 Rcd8 3.Qg4+ Kh8 4.Nd7 f5 5.Qh5+ Kg7 6.Nxf8 Rxf8 7.Rd3
  ²  (0.34)   Depth: 9/25   00:00:03  2136kN
2.Ne5 Rfd8 3.Qg4+ Kf8 4.Nd7+ Rxd7 5.Rxd7 Qc4 6.Qg3 Ke8 7.Rxa7
  ²  (0.50)   Depth: 10/27   00:00:09  6378kN
2.Ne5 Rfd8 3.Qg4+ Kf8 4.Nd7+ Rxd7 5.Rxd7 Qc3 6.Rxa7 Bxa3
  ²  (0.66)   Depth: 11/29   00:00:26  17302kN
2.Ne5 Rfd8 3.Qh5 Bf6 4.Nd7 Rxd7 5.Qg4+ Kf8 6.Rxd7 Qc4 7.Qf5 Kg7
  ±  (0.72)   Depth: 12/33   00:01:45  68616kN
2.Ne5 Rfd8 3.Qh5 Bf6 4.Nd7 Rxd7 5.Qg4+ Kf8 6.Rxd7 Qc4 7.Qf5 Kg7
  ²  (0.63)   Depth: 13/35   00:04:32  180478kN

(Blass, Tel-Aviv 21.05.2001)

The score is also only +0.63 later

New position
2rr4/p1q1bpk1/1p6/n2RN3/8/P7/4QPPP/5RK1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Deep Fritz:

3.Rxd8!
  -+  (-1.50)   Depth: 1/7   00:00:00
3.Rxd8! Rxd8 4.Qg4+ Kf8
  µ  (-1.31)   Depth: 1/9   00:00:00
3.Qg4+!
  µ  (-1.28)   Depth: 1/9   00:00:00
3.Qg4+!
  µ  (-0.78)   Depth: 2/11   00:00:00
3.Qg4+! Kh7
  ³  (-0.44)   Depth: 2/13   00:00:00
3.Qg4+!
  =  (0.06)   Depth: 3/11   00:00:00  1kN
3.Qg4+! Kf8 4.Nd7+ Rxd7
  ²  (0.47)   Depth: 3/13   00:00:00  3kN
3.Qg4+ Kf8 4.Nd7+ Rxd7 5.Rxd7
  ²  (0.47)   Depth: 4/17   00:00:00  4kN
3.Qg4+ Kf8 4.Nd7+ Rxd7 5.Rxd7 Qc6
  ²  (0.53)   Depth: 5/15   00:00:00  15kN
3.Qg4+ Kf8 4.Nd7+ Rxd7 5.Rxd7 Qc4 6.Qh5
  ²  (0.53)   Depth: 6/21   00:00:00  36kN
3.Qg4+ Kf8 4.Nd7+ Rxd7 5.Rxd7 Qc4 6.Qg3 Nc6
  ²  (0.44)   Depth: 7/25   00:00:00  153kN
3.Qg4+ Kf8 4.Nd7+ Rxd7 5.Rxd7 Qc4 6.Qg3 Ke8 7.Rxa7
  ²  (0.50)   Depth: 8/23   00:00:00  392kN
3.Qg4+ Kf8 4.Nd7+ Rxd7 5.Rxd7 Qc6 6.Qh3 Bf6 7.Rxa7 Nc4
  ²  (0.66)   Depth: 9/26   00:00:01  1244kN
3.Qg4+ Kf8 4.Nd7+ Rxd7 5.Rxd7 Qc4 6.Qh3 Qh4 7.Qxh4 Bxh4 8.Rxa7 Rc2
  ²  (0.56)   Depth: 10/29   00:00:05  4065kN
3.Qg4+ Kf8 4.Nd7+ Rxd7 5.Rxd7 Qc3 6.Rxa7 Bxa3 7.Qf5 Be7 8.Rd1 Bf6
  ²  (0.59)   Depth: 11/33   00:00:17  12521kN
3.Qh5!
  ²  (0.63)   Depth: 11/33   00:00:27  18902kN
3.Qh5 Bf6 4.Qg4+ Kf8 5.Nd7+ Rxd7 6.Rxd7 Qc4 7.Qf5 Kg7 8.Rxa7 Rc5
  ±  (0.72)   Depth: 12/31   00:00:46  32795kN
3.Qh5 Bf6 4.Qg4+ Kf8 5.Nd7+ Rxd7 6.Rxd7 Qc4 7.Qf5 Kg7 8.Rxa7 Rc5
  ²  (0.56)   Depth: 13/35   00:02:03  87486kN
3.Qh5 Bf6 4.Qg4+ Kf8 5.Nd7+ Rxd7 6.Rxd7 Qc4 7.Qf5 Qe6 8.Qxe6 fxe6
  ²  (0.63)   Depth: 14/35   00:05:05  215908kN

(Blass, Tel-Aviv 21.05.2001)



Uri




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