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Subject: Re: the guy who said cm6000 is stronger than 8000 is right!

Author: Jason Williamson

Date: 17:57:12 05/21/01

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On May 21, 2001 at 17:43:08, william penn wrote:

>On May 21, 2001 at 17:33:01, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On May 21, 2001 at 17:16:31, william penn wrote:
>>
>>>On May 21, 2001 at 16:12:11, Rajen Gupta wrote:
>>>
>>>>cm 8000 is getting clobbered day in and day out! as i remeber (remind me if i'm
>>>>wrong) cm 6000 more than held its own against fritz5.32 junior 5 and nimzo 7.32.
>>>>and was in fact rated a point or 2 higher than either if them.
>>>>
>>>>this one is behaving more like a vintage cm 3000 (performance wise)
>>>>
>>>>a real sheep in wolf's clothing i  must say
>>>>
>>>>rajen
>>>
>>> All those people who were looking for evidence for my statement that 6555 is
>>>stronger than 8000, they seem to have suddenly vanished. lol
>>
>>Wouldn't it be funny, if the binary were -- for all intents and purposes --
>>identical?
>>
>>Supposing there *is* a 50 ELO difference between the two programs...
>>It is almost impossible to prove it.
>>
>>Every swing in fortune in a SSDF set brings oohs and aahs of either doom and
>>destruction or meteoric rise if it should be shifted to one opponent or the
>>other.
>>
>>I suspect it would be good to wait until the whole set is in.
>
>
>  i don't know mr. corbitt, it seems that a little common sense along with basic
>observation and experience using cm8000 as oppose to cm60000 shows the former to
>be much weaker. i don't think that i have seen a good cm8000 result since it has
>been released. i have played many games against 6000 and have yet to win a
>single game, i have already beaten 8000 twice and drew it once. i am not out to
>defame the program author at all, i have always been a fan of cm . if i state
>what i believe to be the truth, based on observation and experience, if this is
>seen as a smear on someone's program , then so be it.


02-04-01 Commerical Closed  2001

                                  1 2 3 4 5 6
1   Chessmaster 8000  xxxx        * 0 1 1 1 1   4.0/5
2   Junior 6.0        2851  -248  1 * 0 0 1 1   3.0/5  6.50
3   Deep Fritz        2776  -158  0 1 * ½ ½ 1   3.0/5  6.00
4   Shredder 4        xxxx        0 1 ½ * ½ ½   2.5/5
5   Nimzo 8           2709  -301  0 0 ½ ½ * ½   1.5/5
6   Hiarcs 7.32       2767  -466  0 0 0 ½ ½ *   1.0/5

Average elo: 2583 <=> Category: 14
gm = 2.65 m = 1.65

02-18-01 Tournament CMT blitz  2001

                            1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10
  1 little goliath    2603  +1 -1 +1 -1 -1 +0 -1 +1 -1 -1  9.0/10
                              8 32 15 11  3  2 10 17  7 28
  2 Chessmaster 8000  2743  -1 +1 +1 -1 +1 -1 -0 -½ +1 -1  8.5/10
                             19 12  5 16 10  1  3 11 13 30
  3 gromit            2532  -1 +½ +1 -1 +0 -1 +1 -1 +0 +1  7.5/10
                             24 30  6 15  1 17  2 22  4 18
  4 crafty            2650  +0 -0 -1 +1 -1 +1 -½ +1 -1 +1  7.5/10
                             32 27 19 29  9 14 12 10  3  6
  5 zchess            2457  -1 +1 -0 +0 -1 +0 -1 +1 -1 -1  7.0/10
                             20 17  2 10 26 12 23 29 18 19
  6 bionic            2472  -½ +1 -0 +0 +1 -1 +1 -1 +1 -0  6.5/10
                             14 19  3 13 28 16 11 20 12  4
  7 comet             2535  -1 +1 +0 -1 +1 -0 +1 -1 +0 +½  6.5/10
                             21 22 11 28 13 10 15 27  1  9
  8 arasan            2399  -0 +1 -1 +½ -½ +1 -½ +0 -1 +1  6.5/10
                              1 20 29 12 21 11 13 16 15 24
  9 inmichess         2334  +0 -0 +1 -1 +0 -1 +1 -1 +1 -½  6.5/10
                             15 28 31 32  4 29 17 21 19  7
 10 tcb               2526  +1 -1 +1 -1 -0 +1 +0 -0 -1 -0  6.0/10
                             31 23 16  5  2  7  1  4 14 21
 11 exchess                 -1 +1 -1 +0 +½ -0 -0 +½ -1 +1  6.0/10
                             13 18  7  1 17  8  6  2 23 31
 12 amy               2534  +1 -0 +1 -½ +½ -1 +½ +1 -0 -½  6.0/10
                             25  2 27  8 15  5  4 24  6 13
 13 yace              2705  +0 -1 +1 -1 -0 +1 +½ -1 -0 +½  6.0/10
                             11 25 32  6  7 22  8 28  2 12
 14 phalanx           2507  +½ -0 +½ -1 +1 -0 +1 -1 +0 +1  6.0/10
                              6 15 21 23 16  4 22 25 10 27
 15 anmon             2558  -1 +1 -0 +0 -½ +1 -0 +1 +0 +1  5.5/10
                              9 14  1  3 12 21  7 26  8 25
 16 Lambchop          2381  -1 +1 -0 +0 -0 +0 -0 -1 +1 +1  5.0/10
                             18 24 10  2 14  6 20  8 26 29
 17 bringer           2443  +1 -0 -1 +1 -½ +0 -0 -0 +½ +1  5.0/10
                             26  5 30 22 11  3  9  1 24 32
 18 ant               2373  +0 -0 +1 -0 +1 -1 -1 +1 +0 -0  5.0/10
                             16 11 20 25 32 24 26 31  5  3
 19 rival             2062  +0 -0 +0 -1 +1 -½ +1 -1 -0 +0  4.5/10
                              2  6  4 31 29 27 21 32  9  5
 20 fortress          2264  +0 -0 -0 +0 -1 +1 +1 +0 +1 -½  4.5/10
                              5  8 18 24 31 30 16  6 22 26
 21 sjeng             2153  +0 -½ -½ +1 +½ -0 -0 +0 -½ +1  4.0/10
                              7 26 14 30  8 15 19  9 25 10
 22 dragon            2291  +1 -0 +1 -0 +1 -0 -0 +0 -0 +1  4.0/10
                             27  7 28 17 25 13 14  3 20 23
 23 nejmet            2489  -1 +0 -0 +0 +1 -1 +0 -1 +0 -0  4.0/10
                             29 10 26 14 27 28  5 30 11 22
 24 amyan             2284  +0 -0 +0 -1 -1 +0 +1 -0 -½ -0  3.5/10
                              3 16 25 20 30 18 28 12 17  8
 25 gnuchess          2410  -0 +0 -1 +1 -0 +0 -1 +0 +½ -0  3.5/10
                             12 13 24 18 22 26 27 14 21 15
 26 wbqueen                 -0 +½ +1 -½ +0 -1 +0 -0 -0 +½  3.5/10
                             17 21 23 27  5 25 18 15 16 20
 27 tscp              2105  -0 +1 -0 +½ -0 +½ +0 +0 -1 -0  3.0/10
                             22  4 12 26 23 19 25  7 29 14
 28 ssechess          2248  -½ +1 -0 +0 -0 +0 -0 +0 -1 +0  2.5/10
                             30  9 22  7  6 23 24 13 31  1
 29 averno            2174  +0 -1 +0 -0 -0 +0 +1 -0 +0 -0  2.0/10
                             23 31  8  4 19  9 32  5 27 16
 30 chessterfield     2115  +½ -½ +0 -0 +0 -0 -0 +0 -1 +0  2.0/10
                             28  3 17 21 24 20 31 23 32  2
 31 dchess            2126  -0 +0 -0 +0 +0 -1 +1 -0 +0 -0  2.0/10
                             10 29  9 19 20 32 30 18 28 11
 32 skaki             2082  -1 +0 -0 +0 -0 +0 -0 +0 +0 -0  1.0/10
                              4  1 13  9 18 31 29 19 30 17


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