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Subject: Re: the guy who said cm6000 is stronger than 8000 is right!

Author: Jason Williamson

Date: 17:08:17 05/23/01

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On May 22, 2001 at 14:50:00, James T. Walker wrote:

>On May 22, 2001 at 13:39:22, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On May 22, 2001 at 13:27:09, stuart taylor wrote:
>>[snip]
>>>Yes, Crafty is number 4, which I overlooked. Sorry!
>>>But I didn't overlook the comercial list. But that was very few games, which is
>>>good, but says very little. But you can't just bungle all the amatuer programs
>>>together with it to make CM8K to look so great overall. It's nowhere near the
>>>same category as tests against recent comercial programs.
>>
>>In what way?
>>
>>According to the last WMCCC, the world champion was Shredder.  The runner up was
>>Ferret, an amateur program.
>>
>>In the previous CCT contest, in which several commercial programs particpated,
>>the winner was...
>>Crafty -- an amateur program.
>>
>>Look at the recent Leiden contest.  Some amateur programs were near the top and
>>triumphed over some commercial entries.  There used to be a large gap between
>>the amateur and commercial programs.  I believe that the gap was mostly due to
>>superior opening books of the commercial programs.  That gap has narrowed, as
>>the amateur entries now operate with sophisticated opening books.
>>
>>I believe that the gap between the strongest amateur programs and the strongest
>>commercial programs is very small.  Of course, there is not enough empirical
>>data to back up my assertion, so it is only an opinion.
>
>What do you mean by "very small??"  The latest SSDF list has Deep Fritz at 2650
>after 470 games and Crafty 17.07 at 2487 after 857 games.  What would constitute
>"enough empirical data??"  On what empirical data do you base your "opinion?"
>Jim


1. Crafty 17.07 is NOT the latest amateur software.  That version is around a
year and a bit old.

2. Crafty may not be the strongest amateur program any more in anyevent.

JW



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