Author: Vine Smith
Date: 23:44:38 05/26/01
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On May 27, 2001 at 01:00:02, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote:
>On May 26, 2001 at 23:09:07, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On May 26, 2001 at 20:51:59, Will Singleton wrote:
>>
>>>On May 26, 2001 at 20:47:42, Will Singleton wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 26, 2001 at 17:32:13, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 26, 2001 at 17:02:19, James Robertson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Wow! This was a really cool. Insomniac has never before even drawn with Shredder
>>>>>>in a tournament game.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hardware: Shredder used a dual 800 to Insomniac's Athlon 1300mhz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[Event "CCT3"]
>>>>>>[Site "chessclub.com"]
>>>>>>[Date "2001.05.26"]
>>>>>>[Round "3"]
>>>>>>[White "Insomniac"]
>>>>>>[Black "Shredder"]
>>>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>>>[TimeControl "2700+10"]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 Ng4 7. Bg5 h6 8.
>>>>>>Bh4 g5 9. Bg3 Bg7 10. Be2 h5 11. Bxg4 hxg4 12. O-O Bxd4 13. Qxd4 f6 14. Nd5
>>>>>>Nc6 15. Qe3 Be6 16. Nb6 Rb8 17. c4 Kf7 18. Rad1 Qg8 19. Nd5 Rd8 20. b3 Qg6
>>>>>>21. Nc7 Bc8 22. Rfe1 Rhf8 23. Qb6 Ne5 24. Nd5 Nc6 25. Rd2 Rd7 26. Nc3 Qg7
>>>>>>27. Rd3 Rfd8 28. Red1 Qf8 29. R3d2 Qg8 30. Qe3 Qh7 31. Nd5 Re8 32. Nb6 Rdd8
>>>>>>33. c5 Qg6 34. Qe2 Kg8 35. Kf1 Kh7 36. Nxc8 Rxc8 37. cxd6 exd6 38. Qxg4
>>>>>>Qxe4 39. Qd7+ Qe7 40. Rxd6 Kg7 41. Re1 Qf7 42. Qxf7+ Kxf7 43. Rd7+ Re7 44.
>>>>>>Rexe7+ Nxe7 45. Rxb7 Rc6 46. Ke2 Ke6 47. Rc7 Rxc7 48. Bxc7 Nd5 49. Ba5 Nf4+
>>>>>>50. Kf3 Nd3 51. Ke3 Nf4 52. g3 Ng6 53. h3 Ne5 54. f4 Nf7 55. Kf3 Kf5 56.
>>>>>>Bd2 Kg6 57. fxg5 fxg5 58. Ke4 Nd6+ 59. Kd5 Nf5 60. g4 Ng7 61. a4 Ne8 62. b4
>>>>>>Kf7 63. b5 axb5 64. axb5 Nc7+ 65. Kc6
>>>>>>{Shredder resigns} 1-0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I am amazed by the number of pointless moves made by both sides in this game.
>>>>>
>>>>>Maybe it's because of the position. I should check with my own program, maybe it
>>>>>would also make these pointless moves.
>>>>>
>>>>>I guess strong chess players would have a good laugh if they browse thru this
>>>>>game. "And you need these thousands dollars computers to play like that???" :)
>>>>>
>>>>>No offense intended to Stefan or James. It's the kind of game that makes me
>>>>>think: "huh, I'd better work on better planning in Tiger, because maybe it would
>>>>>play similarly in that position".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Christophe
>>>
>>>Hey, out of order. You seem to have time on your hands, enough to work full
>>>time on chess. You certainly could have participated in CCT3. So, please,
>>>don't condescend to the real players.
>>>
>>>If you can show how Tiger would have played differently, fine. Otherwise.. you
>>>know what.
>>>
>>>Will
>>
>>
>>
>>I am supposed to know what? Go ahead, tell what you think.
>>
>>I have mentionned TWICE in my post that it is possible that Tiger would play the
>>same pointless moves.
>>
>>I did not mention ONCE, because I knew somebody would misread my post and
>>misinterpret it, I mentionned it TWICE.
>>
>>Obviously you don't understand the spirit of my message. Sorry for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Christophe
>
>Christophe, I understand what you say and I agree.
>What an awful game. Insomniac played well, but Shredder...
>1st, let itself to be with a terrible pawn structure. It is not that it has
>weaknesses, it is worst than that. It was a pawn structure that was not
>_flexible_. White had all the time to play c5 whenever it wants. That is why
>Insomniac took some time. Then, It had no clue where to place the pieces. It was
>wandering around with the Queen with no plan whatsoever. It tried to protect the
>Bishop because it thought that it was a good "light squares" bishop and did not
>understand that the opponent knight was better in this type of positions. It
>could have tried to play Kg7, Qf7 and keep the Bishop in e6. In this way, c5 is
>not that terrible. Still, the position is good for white.
>Shredder should take this opening out of its book.
>hxg4 was ever played? sounds very suspect.
>
>Regards,
>Miguel
Well, 11...hxg4 has been played by Kasparov, Anand and many other GMs, although
the 12...Bxd4 followup is virtually untested, it appears as analysis in Nunn's
Chess Openings with a slight edge for White after 14.Nd5. But I don't think it
was a good line for Shredder to follow, it's sort of like dumping a program into
the Botvinnik Semi-Slav at move 14 with no further analysis, the position is too
critical to analyze correctly in a short time. Human players would usually do a
lot of homework before entering such a line.
Regards,
Vine Smith
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