Author: Will Singleton
Date: 15:29:32 05/27/01
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On May 27, 2001 at 16:55:02, Ian Osgood wrote: >On May 25, 2001 at 04:29:36, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>On May 25, 2001 at 01:29:11, Mike S. wrote: >> >>>On May 24, 2001 at 22:42:28, Christophe Theron wrote: >>> >>>>(...) >>>>>On May 24, 2001 at 22:05:42, william penn wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>i hear that palm tiger beat chess genius, i thought this was a hand held stand >>>>>>alone, if so it must be much stronger than the sapphire which i thought was the >>>>>>strongest standalone computer available. (...) >>> >>>>This is mostly right, Michael, but let me add some infos: >>>> >>>>Chess Tiger for Palm is COMPLETE port of Chess Tiger 14.1 (which is an evolution >>>>of the Chess Tiger 14 program currently sold by Shröder BV under the name >>>>Rebel-Tiger, by ChessBase under the name Chess Tiger, and by Convekta in their >>>>ChessAssistant 6.0 product). >>>> >>>>The Chess Tiger engine running in the Palm has ALL the knowledge and algorithms >>>>of Chess Tiger 14.1 for PC, everything but the endgame tablebases (for obvious >>>>reasons). >>>> >>>>(...) >>> >>>I think it would be interesting to see if Palm Tiger is able to win a longer >>>match against the NOVAG Sapphire II (I would expect that, but the Sapphire has >>>proven superior so far against other handhelds or travel computers, according to >>>info I have read from various sources). >>> >>>I wouldn't be surprised if the result would be quite narrow though... >> >> >>I really don't know and I would really like to know. >> >>The Sapphire II is rated 2012 by the SSDF (that means 2112 in the previous >>versions of the list, which is more accurate for lower ratings). >> >>So normally Tiger for Palm should be able to at least equal the Sapphire. > >So far, my Sapphire II has 2.5 - 0.5 against Palm Tiger at 5 minute games. >Tiger is overclocked to 28MHz on a Palm IIIe, both have hash tables on, >permanent brain disabled. Looks like the Sapphire II is out thinking Palm Tiger >by about a ply (3000 nps vs 500 nps). I plan to try some 30 minute games with >permanent brain later this week. (This would be easier if Palm Tiger had some >sort of serial interface so that I could adapt it to WinBoard like I have my >Sapphire II.) > >>>I think the Sapphire II could act as a kind of basic performance test for Palm >>>chess programs, in other words, they should beat it more or less clearly to be >>>competitive IMO, in terms of strength (in terms of functionality, the Palm is >>>certainly superior). >> >> >>There are not many chess programs which are going to be able to pass the test! >>:) > >Indeed. People forget that the SapphireII is near state of the art at its clock >speed (16MHz). Lang's and Morsch's programs in Mephisto units are its only >competitors. > >>>A Pocket PC, or Windows CE program running at 100...200 MHz just must beat the >>>Sapphire I think... at least if it is somewhat state of the art. >> >> >>Clearly. The Sapphire should be wiped away by a decent chess program running on >>StrongARM at 100 or even 200MHz. >> >> >> >> Christophe > >However, that program must be well written. For example, the strongest >commercial program for the PocketPC, PalmChess, on a 206MHz iPAQ loses (~35%) >against ChessGenius on a 28Mhz overclocked Palm. It would certainly lose >against SapphireII which is stronger. > >Crafty on the iPAQ is stronger than the SapphireII (hash tables help quite a >bit.) > >Ian From hundreds of games between my prog and Sapphire on fics, I would opine that whatever the Sap version is that plays on Fics would win about 99% of the time vs Tiger Palm. Will
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