Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 13:21:06 05/28/01
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On May 28, 2001 at 11:36:37, Bruce Moreland wrote: >On May 28, 2001 at 02:25:22, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On May 27, 2001 at 22:35:31, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 27, 2001 at 09:40:32, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>> >>>>On May 26, 2001 at 21:11:48, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>More data. >>>>> >>>>>summary: >>>>> >>>>>After 2 hours per position, crafty gets 8 of 14 right. >>>>> >>>>>after 6 hours per position it gets 9 of 14 right. >>>>> >>>>>that is still 2 behind DB Jr. and when you factor in the fact that DB2 is >>>>>32x faster than DB Jr, DB2 would get 11 of 14 right in < 1 minute per position, >>>>>which is 1/360 the time I need to get 9 of 14 right. >>>>> >>>>>I think the machine is amazing, _still_. >>>>> >>>>>This seems to be ample evidence of it. >>>> >>>>The shadows on the cave wall have always looked pretty interesting. >>>> >>>>bruce >>> >>> >>>I don't follow. This thread was _started_ by a DB team member asking someone >>>here about position 13. That doesn't seem like "shadows on the cave wall" to >>>me... seems like very recent activity being reported directly by the source. >> >>I think that bruce means that games are the real things when test suites are >>only the shadows. >> >>The interesting acticity is games of Deep Blue Junior against the top programs >>of today and unfortunately we can get only the shadows. >> >>Uri > >No, what I mean is that the real data are very scarce (we got this data by >accident and probably improperly) and that conclusions are being drawn based >upon very little of it. > >I'm a little annoyed about what IBM did to this field, but I don't have any >problem with Murray Campbell and Feng Hsu. I've had limited conversations with >both and I've enjoyed what they've had to say, and I've enjoyed them personally. > >What I do have a problem with is Bob's apparent contentment with the current >situation. The current situation is stupid. Having to draw conclusions about >someone's height based only upon an accidental discovery of their shoe (and >consequently its size) is not optimal, and Bob seems happy with this because the >man is too important to be seen by us, even for a moment. I object to this >situation but concede that it does at least show *something*. I don't know where you get the idea that I am "content". I don't like their absence any more than you (or most others) do (perhaps a few are happy as they don't have to face the beast.. :) ). However, I have become reconciled to the fact that they aren't going to play in computer or human events for the forseeable future. Any bit of data they leak out is therefore significant since there is so little of it. > >But I'll wait until it comes out and plays before I'll support acclaiming it as >world champion. > >bruce
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