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Subject: EGTB Thrashing? Was Re: Tinker-Arasan from CCT-3

Author: Brian Richardson

Date: 18:08:47 05/28/01

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On May 28, 2001 at 12:16:19, Jon Dart wrote:

>
>This is the game:
>
>[Event "CCT-3"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "2001.05.27"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Arasan 6.0"]
>[Black "Tinker"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>[ECO "A29"]
>[WhiteElo "2376"]
>[BlackElo "2372"]
>[TimeControl "2700+10"]
>
>1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 e5 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. g3 Bb4 5. Bg2 O-O 6. O-O e4 7. Ng5
>Bxc3 8. bxc3 Re8 9. f3 e3 10. d3 d5 11. Qb3 Na5 12. Qa3 c6 13. cxd5
>cxd5 14. f4 Nc6 15. Rb1 Qc7 16. Bb2 Bg4 17. Nf3 Qd7 18. c4 d4 19. Ba1
>Bxf3 20. Bxf3 b6 21. Qa4 Rac8 22. Bxc6 Rxc6 23. Bxd4 Ng4 24. f5 Nf2
>25. Qb5 a6 26. Qb2 Rh6 27. Bxb6 Rb8 28. Qe5 Qb7 29. Qxg7+ Kxg7
>30. Bd4+ Rf6 31. Rxb7 Rxb7 32. Bxe3 Ng4 33. Bd4 Re7 34. Rf4 h5 35. h3
>Ne5 36. g4 hxg4 37. hxg4 Rc6 38. Re4 f6 39. g5 Rc8 40. Bxe5 Rxe5
>41. Rxe5 fxe5 42. Kf2 Rc5 43. a4 Kf7 44. e4 Ra5 45. g6+ Kf6 46. Ke3
>Rxa4 47. Kd2 a5 48. c5 Rb4 49. Kc3 Kg7 50. c6 Rb6 51. c7 Rc6+ 52. Kb3
> 0-1 {ArasanX resigns}
>
>Arasan-Tinker was an English Four Knights (A29), which is an
>opening Arasan plays quite a lot.
>
<<<snip>>>

>Tinker starting giving reasonable scores in this endgame quite a
>while before Arasan, which was oblivious until near the end. As
>noted elsewhere, though Tinker was having problems with thrashing
>on the endgame TB probes. Arasan wasn't hitting the TBs hardly
>at all (it only had 4-man tables).

Why did it seem as though Tinker was having problems with endgame TB thrashing?
I have looked at the logs, and the numbers seem ok.  There was little disk
activity (due to caching) during the game...seems like they helped a lot.

Thanks
Brian

>
>I'm far from a strong endgame player myself, but I could look
>at this and say, "the pawns aren't far enough advanced, the King
>is behind the pawns, and he's got a whole rook. Doesn't look good."
>I made a comment during the game that Arasan was too optimistic.
>
>On the other hand, it's risky to tweak the eval to "fix" this.
>One thing I can try: Arasan gives a bonus for trading material
>when it has passers. It's not good to do that if the opponent
>has a rook.
>
>--Jon



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