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Subject: Re: Ferret's stunning 23.Ne6!! against Crafty

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 05:33:56 05/29/01

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On May 29, 2001 at 08:06:59, william penn wrote:

>On May 29, 2001 at 03:47:13, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On May 29, 2001 at 01:16:23, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On May 29, 2001 at 00:58:44, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>
>>>>[D]r1b1Rbk1/pp3p2/2np3p/2qp2p1/3N4/1QPB3P/PP3PPB/6K1 w - -
>>>>
>>>>(Sorry if this is discussed already.)
>>>>In this position Ferret played Ne6!!, which I found really stunning. I tested
>>>>position with many engines and long time - no one including Gambit Tiger plays
>>>>it...
>>>>Was it book? Is may be Nb5 even stronger.
>>>>
>>>>BTW Congratulations for Bruce to win with outdated hardware CCT3!
>>>>
>>>>Jouni
>>>
>>>Analysis by Yace:
>>>
>>>white ( 1): test bruce.ci
>>>title position 1
>>>Stored 0 learned positions into hash table
>>>solution  Ne6 Nb5
>>>usetime = 9998.00, mintime = 9998.00 maxtime = 9998.00 tl 9998.00 ml 0
>>>        27   0.001  -0.95  1t  1.Rxc8 Rxc8 2.Qxb7 Nxd4 3.cxd4 {-150}
>>>        53   0.002   0.13  1t  1.Nxc6 bxc6 {-80}
>>>       143   0.002   0.22  1t  1.Qd1 Nxd4 2.cxd4 Qxd4 3.Bxd6 {-80}
>>>       252   0.003   0.37  1t  1.Bf5 Nxd4 2.cxd4 {-80}
>>>       430   0.004   0.51  1t  1.Ne2 {-80}
>>>       441   0.005   0.51  1.  1.Ne2 {-80}
>>>       661   0.005   0.45  2t  1.Ne2 b6 {-80}
>>>      1457   0.008   0.45  2.  1.Ne2 b6 {-80}
>>>      2785   0.013   0.40  3t  1.Ne2 d4 2.Bg6 {-80}
>>>     11077   0.042   0.43  3t+ 1.Nb5 a5
>>>     11273   0.043   0.46  3t  1.Nb5 Ne5 2.Bf5 {-80}
>>>     11338   0.044   0.46  3.  1.Nb5 Ne5 2.Bf5 {-80}
>>>     14973   0.055   0.42  4t  1.Nb5 Ne5 2.Bf5 a6 {-80}
>>>     22012   0.075   0.43  4t+ 1.Qd1 Qxd4 2.cxd4 Nxd4 {501}
>>>     23047   0.079   0.46  4t  1.Qd1 Nxd4 2.cxd4 Qb4 3.Bf5 {-80}
>>>     48476   0.135   0.46  4.  1.Qd1 Nxd4 2.cxd4 Qb4 3.Bf5 {-80}
>>>     64090   0.176   0.35  5t  1.Qd1 Nxd4 2.cxd4 Qc6 3.Qe1 b5 {-80}
>>>     67196   0.184   0.36  5t+ 1.Nb5 Nd4 2.cxd4 Qxd4 {180}
>>>     79874   0.219   0.67  5t  1.Nb5 Ne5 2.Bc2 Nc4 3.Nd4 {-80}
>>>    142589   0.325   0.67  5.  1.Nb5 Ne5 2.Bc2 Nc4 3.Nd4 {-80}
>>>    210311   0.516   0.64  6t  1.Nb5 Ne5 2.Qd1 f6 3.b4 Qc6 {-80}
>>>    387948   0.859   0.65  6t+ 1.Qc2 Nxd4 2.cxd4 Qxd4 3.Bxd6 Kg7 4.Bxf8+ Kg8
>>>                               {270}
>>>    394571   0.874   0.70  6t  1.Qc2 Nxd4 2.cxd4 Qxc2 3.Bxc2 Kg7 4.Bf5 Bxf5
>>>                               5.Rxa8 {70}
>>>    522542   1.162   0.70  6.  1.Qc2 Nxd4 2.cxd4 Qxc2 3.Bxc2 Kg7 4.Bf5 Bxf5
>>>                               5.Rxa8 {70}
>>>    575743   1.276   0.54  7t  1.Qc2 Nxd4 2.cxd4 Qxc2 3.Bxc2 b6 4.Bxd6 Bb7
>>>                               5.Bb8 {0}
>>>    654504   1.466   0.55  7t+ 1.Nb5 Ne5 2.Bf5 Bxf5 3.Rxa8 Nd3 4.Rxf8+ Kg7
>>>                               {420}
>>>    729294   1.671   0.64  7t  1.Nb5 Ne5 2.Bc2 Nc4 3.Nd4 Ne5 4.Bf5 {-80}
>>>   1310670   2.757   0.64  7.  1.Nb5 Ne5 2.Bc2 Nc4 3.Nd4 Ne5 4.Bf5 {-80}
>>>   1701167   3.646   0.87  8t  1.Nb5 Ne5 2.Bxe5 dxe5 3.Nc7 e4 4.Nxa8 exd3
>>>                               5.Qd1 {60}
>>>   3033464   6.003   0.87  8.  1.Nb5 Ne5 2.Bxe5 dxe5 3.Nc7 e4 4.Nxa8 exd3
>>>                               5.Qd1 {60}
>>>   3788322   7.587   1.05  9t  1.Nb5 Ne5 2.Bxe5 dxe5 3.Nc7 e4 4.Nxa8 exd3
>>>                               5.Rd8 b5 6.Rxd5 {140}
>>>   7542582  13.952   1.05  9.  1.Nb5 Ne5 2.Bxe5 dxe5 3.Nc7 e4 4.Nxa8 exd3
>>>                               5.Rd8 b5 6.Rxd5 {140}
>>>  10307300  19.432   1.44 10t  1.Nb5 Ne5 2.Bxe5 dxe5 3.Nc7 e4 4.Bxe4 dxe4
>>>                               5.Nxa8 Qc6 6.Rd8 Bd7 {140}
>>>  18434843  33.211   1.44 10.  1.Nb5 Ne5 2.Bxe5 dxe5 3.Nc7 e4 4.Bxe4 dxe4
>>>                               5.Nxa8 Qc6 6.Rd8 Bd7 {140}
>>>  23279977  42.811   1.55 11t  1.Nb5 Ne5 2.Bxe5 dxe5 3.Nc7 e4 4.Bxe4 dxe4
>>>                               5.Nxa8 Qc6 6.Rd8 Bd7 7.Qd1 {140}
>>>  45474172  1:19.6   1.55 11.  1.Nb5 Ne5 2.Bxe5 dxe5 3.Nc7 e4 4.Bxe4 dxe4
>>>                               5.Nxa8 Qc6 6.Rd8 Bd7 7.Qd1 {140}
>>>  62641271  1:54.8   1.45 12t  1.Nb5 Ne5 2.Bxe5 dxe5 3.Nc7 e4 4.Bxe4 dxe4
>>>                               5.Nxa8 Qc6 6.Rd8 Kg7 7.Qd1 Bc5 {140}
>>> 149487856  4:44.5   1.46 12t+ 1.Ne6 fxe6 2.Qd1 Ne7 3.Qh5 Kg7 4.Bh7 Qb6
>>>                               5.Rxe7+ Kf6 6.Bxd6 g4 7.Qf7+ Kg5 8.Qg8+ Bg7
>>>                               9.Rxg7+ Kf6 {350}
>>> 164825256  5:17.6   1.73 12t  1.Ne6 fxe6 2.Qd1 Bd7 3.Rxa8 Ne7 4.h4 Nc8 5.hxg5
>>>                               hxg5 6.Qh5 Be7 7.Qh7+ Kf8 8.Bg6 {80}
>>> 176964457  5:41.1   1.73 12.  1.Ne6 fxe6 2.Qd1 Bd7 3.Rxa8 Ne7 4.h4 Nc8 5.hxg5
>>>                               hxg5 6.Qh5 Be7 7.Qh7+ Kf8 8.Bg6 {80}
>>> 308712897 10:34.3   1.89 13t  1.Ne6 Bxe6 2.Rxa8 d4 3.Qxb7 dxc3 4.bxc3 Kg7
>>>                               5.Bb5 Nd4 6.Qb8 Nxb5 7.Qxf8+ Kg6 8.a4 Nxc3
>>>                               9.Bxd6 {160}
>>>
>>>Nb5 is yet another insipid, uninspiring, computer-chess pawn grab.  Ne6 is a
>>>breathtaking GM style move that leaves Nb5 wallowing in the mire (to me anyway
>>>-- it may be that I simply don't see the beauty of Nb5).
>>>
>>>Ne6 is *grotesquely* superior in my book.
>>
>>I believe that Ne6 is not GM style move.
>>There is no reason to calculate complex lines of Ne6 when there is a simple way
>>to win material and the games.
>>
>>I believe that GM calculate complex lines when they need them to win the game
>>but they are smart enough not to do it when there is another simple way to win
>>because the target in the game is to win and it is better to be more sure of
>>winning.
>>
>>When you calculate a complex line there is a risk that you are wrong so it is a
>>bad idea to do it when you have another good option.
>>
>
>
> I disagree, Grandmasters often play moves that maybe slightly inferior to the
>best move, in hopes that their opponents may not find the best reply, kasparov
>for instance and Tal, certainly fritz and ferret calculations are much less
>risky.
I understand prefering a slightly inferior but complex position instead of
a n equal position that is probably a draw but it is a practical mistake not to
do the best move when you have a clear advantage.

Grandmasters got good results not because of doing practical mistakes so I
believe that most of them will play Nb5.

Uri





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