Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 14:32:38 05/29/01
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On May 29, 2001 at 16:49:15, Dann Corbit wrote: >On May 28, 2001 at 16:17:10, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 28, 2001 at 12:01:50, Ricardo Gibert wrote: >> >>>On May 28, 2001 at 11:04:32, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On May 28, 2001 at 02:22:46, Ricardo Gibert wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>You can justify almost anything with this. For instance: An individual could >>>>>"justify" cheating, since the other cheaters would otherwise have an unfair >>>>>advantage. Silly. >>>>> >>>>>It is sufficient to acknowledge that *everything* we do is built upon the work >>>>>of others. As long as acknowledge this and pay them their due, you've already >>>>>done everthing you are ethically required to do. >>>>> >>>>>With the the Nalimov TBs, you only need to ask his permission, give credit where >>>>>credit is due and to say "thank you". >>>> >>>>Out of everything you said, that last sentence leaves me the most "chilled". >>>> >>>>IE, in my case, I got code from Eugene, he has access to my code in return. >>>>We _both_ gain, as if he decides to write a new chess engine, he has samples >>>>for lots of current ideas. Should I decide to write yet another TB generator, >>>>I have samples from him for current ideas. >>>> >>>>In the case of the commercial programs, _what_ does he get in return? >>>> >>>>zilch... >>>> >>>>That has _always_ been a bothersome point to me... >>> >>> >>>I wouldn't be surprised if the commercials sent him free copies of the latest >>>version of their program to him all the time. Only a lunatic would have the >>>cheek to charge him for a copy. >> >> >>That's not the same thing at all. He provides source code, ideas, explanations >>in the comments, etc. Giving him a copy of a commercial engine doesn't give >>him anything like what he gave them. IE he gets a "black box" that he can >>play chess against. >> >>The swap sees extremely one-sided to me... > >Almost like letting commercial systems use crafty as an analysis engine. >;-) Remember... Crafty doesn't have any ideas or concepts they can use. :) At least publicly. :)
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