Author: Bruce Moreland
Date: 14:48:48 05/29/01
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On May 29, 2001 at 16:39:57, David Rasmussen wrote: >On May 29, 2001 at 16:14:24, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: > >>On May 29, 2001 at 13:45:19, David Rasmussen wrote: >> >>>On May 29, 2001 at 12:48:01, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>> >>>>On May 29, 2001 at 09:08:53, David Rasmussen wrote: >>>> >>>>>I don't understand why so many people make such precise conclusions from the >>>>>result of CCT3. The number of games played was so small that it is not even >>>>>remotely close to be statistically significant. It's not to belittle the victory >>>>>of Ferret, as it's not a bad candidate for (one of) the best programs >>>>>participating. It's just that one can't conclude anything about a program such >>>>>as shredder, based on such sparse material. And I'm not even going to go into >>>>>the hardware differences and handicaps, that makes the results even more random. >>>>> >>>>>When I look at the final standing of the tournament, I agree with the order of >>>>>engines in general. That is, Celes and Chezzz _are_ probably weaker than Fritz >>>>>and Ferret. But I'm also convinced that Shredder, Yace, LambChop and other are >>>>>generally better than GNUChess (although I've never found GNUChess to be as bad >>>>>as everyone says). So let's all take CCT3 for what it is: good fun. >>>> >>>>Of course. All you can do is give yourself a chance to win. >>>> >>> >>>Yep. I will have to work a little better on _that_ part next time :) >>>Of course, I didn't expect to win any games as I had done no preparations with >>>my engine at all. >>> >>>>>BTW. I can't wait until it's time for CCT4. Can't we make a monthly 1 day >>>>>tournament, just for fun? I don't know anything about tournament systems, but >>>>>there must be some kind of knockout system, where a lot of programs can play a >>>>>tournament in relatively short time. This should be absolutely informal, and >>>>>participation should be done by just showing up on the server 30 minutes in >>>>>advance or so. >>>> >>>>Augh, eek. >>>> >>>>bruce >>> >>>What does that mean? That it is a bad idea? In that case, why? >> >> >>Because some people get booted off by their ISPs every two hours, or three hours >>on the hour. So if you just stay put and loiter for half an hour on ICC only to >>show that you are there, consider that a good reason for tongue biting and >>saying 'ouch, eek' etc. >> >>*** Djordje > >Well, the 30 minutes wasn't important. It could be 5 minutes for all I care. >It's just that such a tournament will last somewhat long anyway, so a little >more time before starting, shouldn't make the difference. The important thing >about my suggestion wasn't how to do it, but just that we _should_ do it. > >I guess somethings would have to be automated. The participants should be known >before start (well, duh), and the pairing should be done automatically somehow. >There are tournament bots on FICS, that I think could manage this. I don't know. >In fact, I don't have an idea of how the details should work in this, I just >want to do it. But maybe the details are too difficilt to overcome, and thats >why we don't do it. I don't know. I just want to play :) All I meant was that I can't deal with the idea of another tournament yet, let alone the idea of making them more frequent! bruce
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