Author: Jason Williamson
Date: 03:10:04 05/30/01
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On May 30, 2001 at 04:41:06, william penn wrote: >On May 30, 2001 at 04:25:28, Mogens Larsen wrote: > >>On May 30, 2001 at 02:57:04, william penn wrote: >> >>> I Would agree with you Christophe if your opponent was century3, or junior6, >>>or even say Shredder5, but CM8000, HAS a losing record, not only in the ssdf, >>>but in tournament play. Look at the recent cct3 results, a top program just >>>would do better then this, if infact it is a top program. >> >>Chessmaster didn't participate in CCT-3, so I fail to see the point of your >>reasoning. >> >>>I PREDICT THE FINAL >>>SCORE WILL BE SIMILIAR IF NOT IDENTICAL TO THE DEEP FRITZ CM8000 MATCH. I Wish >>>everyone would just admit the truth, CM8000 IS Simply weaker then it's >>>predessor, this happened also with mchess7 and mchess8, although the difference >>>between them was not as great as between cm8000 and cm6000. >> >>CM8000 might be weaker or even significantly weaker than CM6000. For that >>matter, it could just as well be stronger. Without results noone knows, which >>have been mentioned quite a few times by now. However, you can't make any such >>conclusions based on the results of CM8000 alone. As a matter of fact, the lack >>of an updated opening book, learning and tablebases are significant >>disadvantages in this day and age. And it guarantees an absolute loss to all >>semi-recent engines given the SSDF match format IMO. That would most likely >>apply to CM6000 as well. >> >>Regards, >>Mogens > > Well Chessmaster 6000 doesn't have all the learning features and book as well, >yet it placed number 1 on ssdf, so i fail to see your reasoning. Anyway i >thought the book and learning, ect, are part of the program? If Cm8000 lacks >those things , then that's part of its weakness. i think Cm 6000 participated in >a one tournament of note recently and it took third place, a very good result >for such an old program. Which tournament? It placed 1st on teh SDDF several years ago...we are talking 1998 if memory serves me. In that time: Fritz learnt how to use tablebases, Junior did too, Fritz's opening book was updated. So was Junior, hey look at that so was Tiger! Wait a second didn't tiger come out after 1998? HMMMM! Well, gee! Also, how many games did CM6000 play to get first on this list? THE MINIMUM? HMMMM! In otherwords, CM6000 MAY have been the strongest engine for the BRIEF moment that it was at the top of the SDDF list, it was QUICKLY passed by the other engines for the very same flaws that make CM8000 weaker then these updated versions of the commercials. Opening book, lack of learning, lack of tablebase support. In any event, IMO the addition of Winboard engine support to the CM gui made it worth every penny. And CM8000 is STILL the least expensive chess program you can buy. I look forward to CM9000 and its updated opening book....hope they get learning into the program too. And UCI support as well, hey while we are at it, how about tablebases and auto232! :) JW
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