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Subject: Re: gs2930 position 13

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 06:10:54 05/30/01

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On May 29, 2001 at 14:48:06, Uri Blass wrote:

I guess what you basically want to know Uri are the moves
that first failed high for black on a depth n , but now at
a depth n+1 they fail low for black!

Kxg7 is such a move!

So basically moves flipping from >= beta to <= alfa is what you
want to know.

However in a search that big we talk here about quite
some moves. Suppose 2 million moves that flip in this huge
search from >= beta to <= alfa. Is that what you want to
see on the screen?

How big must your screen be?

The main problem is that search works perhaps a bit different as you
think it does.

Bxg7 Kxg7 now white has say 40 legal moves. That means that black after
all these moves has 40 moves that give a cutoff for it!

In short in a search you need more or less branching factor to the
power depth, that's the number of moves that gave a cutoff!

So you definitely don't want the cutoffs only. You want the flips
from >= beta to <= alfa.

But here lies the problem. the programs main variation is based upon
loads of moves. You want to see a line which an intelligent person like
Uri wants to consider.

Already a year or 55 ago it was estimated that strong players are
considered to have a branching factor of 1.76

Now you want as a human to see usually 1 move and sometimes 2 moves.

How is the computer going to figure out what moves out of the 40
legal moves you want to see?

Best regards,
Vincent






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