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Subject: Re: I guess it's not big news anymore that computer Draws 2885 elo?

Author: william penn

Date: 22:41:37 05/30/01

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On May 31, 2001 at 00:37:46, Kurt Utzinger wrote:

>If computers had grandmaster strength - what in my opinion they have not at all
>- it would never be possible that a 2000 ELO player can still reach a score of
>about 30 %. Please refer to earlier debates on this subject.
>Kurt


  Grandmaster Strength = Grandmaster results.... Century1 after 32 games has a
elo rating of 2530 against all grandmaster and international master players. Now
ask yourself can you do the same? IF THOSE TYPE OF RESULTS DOES NOT EQUAL GM
STRENGTH THEN TELL ME WHAT DO THEY MEAN? Another very important point is that
since you have never played grandmasters regulary you don't know how you might
score against them if given the chance, i have seen many games where expert
level players have beaten grandmasters, and players in the 2300 beat them more
then you might expect. Because you can draw a computer this means really little,
because a computer will allow you a draw simply because it is not a counscious
entity, and therefore is not aware that you are a weaker player, so it will make
the best move, whereas a strong human player will play a slightly inferior move
knowing you are not strong enough to give the best reply. Another factor is that
you can always draw using the three move repition rule, because the computer
will evaluatate the position as slightly negative for itself, then it will
repeat the position, again not counscious being aware that you are not a
Grandmaster. COMMON SENSE, should tell you that a computer cannot achieve a 2700
elo performance rating, beating on the way PETER LEKO



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