Author: Günther Simon
Date: 06:45:39 06/01/01
Go up one level in this thread
On June 01, 2001 at 01:37:13, James T. Walker wrote:
>I loaded the game into Deep Shredder and moved forward 1 move at a time untill I
>reached move 75 for white (Deep Shredder). I then let Deep Shredder search the
>position. Here is the analysis by Deep Shredder. Notice after 1:41 it still
>has Ke5 as the move (20 ply search).
>
>Engine: Deep Shredder
>by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
> 60:00 min to go (1:20, 9:00)
> 1.00 0:01 +7.32-- 75.Ra2 d1Q+ 76.Rd2 (9) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.08-- 75.Ra2 d1Q+ 76.Rd2 (18) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.08 75.Ra2 d1Q+ 76.Rd2 (19) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.07++ 75.f4 (20) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.72++ 75.f4 (21) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.84 75.f4 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 (29) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.83++ 75.h5 (30) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.48++ 75.h5 (31) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.80 75.h5 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 (39) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 0.00++ 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.Rb8+ (40) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 0.00 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.Rb8+ (41) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 +0.01++ 75.Ke6 (42) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 +0.36++ 75.Ke6 (43) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.96 75.Ke6 d1Q (45) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.95++ 75.Kd5 (46) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.60++ 75.Kd5 (47) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.12 75.Kd5 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 (55) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 0.00++ 75.Rb8+ Ka1 76.Ra8+ (59) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 0.00 75.Rb8+ Ka1 76.Ra8+ (60) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 +0.01++ 75.Rc8 (61) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 +0.36++ 75.Rc8 (62) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.12 75.Rc8 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 (70) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.11++ 75.Re8 (71) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.76++ 75.Re8 (72) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.12 75.Re8 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 (80) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.11++ 75.Rg8 (81) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.76++ 75.Rg8 (82) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.12 75.Rg8 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 (90) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.11++ 75.Ra7 (91) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.76++ 75.Ra7 (92) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.12 75.Ra7 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 (100) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.11++ 75.Ra6 (101) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.76++ 75.Ra6 (102) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.14 75.Ra6 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 (110) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.13++ 75.Ra5 (111) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.78++ 75.Ra5 (112) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.94 75.Ra5 d1Q+ 76.Rd5 (121) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.93++ 75.Ra4 (122) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.58++ 75.Ra4 (123) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.08 75.Ra4 d1Q+ 76.Rd4 (132) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.07++ 75.Ra3 (133) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.72++ 75.Ra3 (134) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.99 75.Ra3 d1Q+ 76.Rd3 (143) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.98++ 75.Rd8 (144) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.63++ 75.Rd8 (145) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.92 75.Rd8 d1Q+ 76.Ke7 (153) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.91++ 75.Rf8 (154) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.56++ 75.Rf8 (155) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.08 75.Rf8 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 (163) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.07++ 75.Ke7 (164) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.72++ 75.Ke7 (165) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.04 75.Ke7 d1Q (167) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.03++ 75.Kd7 (168) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -0.68++ 75.Kd7 (169) 0.0
> 1.00 0:01 -1.12 75.Kd7 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 (177) 0.1
> 1.00 0:01 -1.11++ 75.Kc6 (178) 0.1
> 1.00 0:01 -0.76++ 75.Kc6 (179) 0.1
> 1.00 0:01 -1.35 75.Kc6 d1Q (181) 0.1
> 1.00 0:01 -1.34++ 75.Kc5 (182) 0.1
> 1.00 0:01 -0.99++ 75.Kc5 (183) 0.1
> 1.00 0:01 -1.36 75.Kc5 d1Q (185) 0.1
> 1.00 0:01 -1.35++ 75.Kc7 (186) 0.1
> 1.00 0:01 -1.00++ 75.Kc7 (187) 0.1
> 1.00 0:01 -1.39 75.Kc7 d1Q (189) 0.1
> 1.00 0:01 -1.38++ 75.Rh8 (191) 0.1
> 1.00 0:01 -1.03++ 75.Rh8 (192) 0.1
> 1.00 0:01 -1.64 75.Rh8 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 (200) 0.1
> 2.00 0:01 +2.02++ 75.Rh8 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (212) 0.1
> 2.00 0:01 +3.02++ 75.Rh8 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (224) 0.1
> 2.00 0:01 -1.64 75.Rh8 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (245) 0.1
> 2.00 0:01 +4.10++ 75.f4 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 (260) 0.1
> 2.00 0:01 -0.84 75.f4 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 (269) 0.1
> 2.00 0:01 +2.10++ 75.h5 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (279) 0.1
> 2.00 0:01 +3.10++ 75.h5 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (289) 0.1
> 2.00 0:01 -0.80 75.h5 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (310) 0.1
> 2.00 0:01 0.00++ 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.Rb8+ (311) 0.1
> 2.00 0:01 0.00 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.Rb8+ (312) 0.1
> 2.00 0:01 +4.02++ 75.Ke6 d1Q (320) 0.1
> 2.00 0:01 -0.96 75.Ke6 d1Q (322) 0.1
> 2.00 0:01 +2.02++ 75.Kd5 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (332) 0.1
> 2.00 0:01 +3.02++ 75.Kd5 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (342) 0.1
> 2.00 0:01 -1.12 75.Kd5 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (363) 0.1
> 2.00 0:01 0.00++ 75.Rc8 Kb2 76.Rb8+ (372) 0.1
> 2.00 0:01 0.00 75.Rc8 Kb2 76.Rb8+ (373) 0.1
> 2.00 0:02 +2.02++ 75.Re8 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (385) 0.1
> 2.00 0:02 +3.02++ 75.Re8 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (397) 0.1
> 2.00 0:02 -1.12 75.Re8 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (419) 0.2
> 2.00 0:02 +2.02++ 75.Rg8 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (431) 0.2
> 2.00 0:02 +3.02++ 75.Rg8 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (443) 0.2
> 2.00 0:02 -1.12 75.Rg8 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (464) 0.2
> 2.00 0:02 +2.02++ 75.Ra7 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (474) 0.2
> 2.00 0:02 +3.02++ 75.Ra7 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (484) 0.2
> 2.00 0:02 -1.12 75.Ra7 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (505) 0.2
> 2.00 0:02 +1.99++ 75.Ra6 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (515) 0.2
> 2.00 0:02 +2.99++ 75.Ra6 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (525) 0.2
> 2.00 0:02 -1.14 75.Ra6 d1Q+ 76.Ke6 Qxf3 (546) 0.2
> 2.00 0:02 -1.13++ 75.Rb8+ Ka2 76.Ke6 (552) 0.2
> 2.00 0:02 -0.78++ 75.Rb8+ Ka2 76.Ke6 (559) 0.2
> 2.00 0:02 0.00 75.Rb8+ Ka1 76.Ra8+ (744) 0.3
> 3.00 0:02 0.00 75.Rb8+ Ka1 76.Ra8+ (988) 0.4
> 3.00 0:02 +2.02++ 75.Ke6 d1Q 76.Rc8 Qxf3 (1.105) 0.4
> 3.00 0:02 -0.65 75.Ke6 d1Q 76.Rb8+ Ka1 (1.128) 0.4
> 3.00 0:02 0.00++ 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.Rb8+ (1.138) 0.4
> 3.00 0:02 0.00 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.Rb8+ (1.139) 0.4
> 4.00 0:02 0.00 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.Rb8+ (1.315) 0.5
> 5.00 0:02 0.00 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.Rb8+ (1.802) 0.6
> 6.00 0:02 0.00 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.Rb8+ (2.304) 0.7
> 7.01 0:02 0.00 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.Rg8 (4.452) 1.5
> 8.01 0:03 0.00 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.Rg8 (7.900) 2.0
> 9.01 0:04 0.00 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.Rg8 (12.794) 2.5
> 10.01 0:05 0.00 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.Rg8 (18.034) 3.3
> 11.01 0:05 0.00 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.Rg8 (19.994) 3.7
> 12.01 0:05 0.00 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.Rg8 (34.002) 6.2
> 13.01 0:08 0.00 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.f4 Kb2 77.Rb8+ Kc3 78.Rc8+ Kb3 79.Rb8+ Ka3
>80.Ra8+ Kb2 81.Rb8+ (58.091) 6.5
> 14.01 0:10 0.00 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.f4 Kb2 77.Rb8+ Kc3 78.Rc8+ Kb3 79.Rb8+ Ka3
>80.Ra8+ Kb2 81.Rb8+ (108.890) 10.5
> 15.01 0:13 0.00 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.f4 Kb2 77.Rb8+ Kc3 78.Rc8+ Kb3 79.Rb8+ Ka3
>80.Ra8+ Kb2 81.Rb8+ (172.569) 12.3
> 16.01 0:15 0.00 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.f4 Kb2 77.Rb8+ Kc3 78.Rc8+ Kb3 79.Rb8+ Ka3
>80.Ra8+ Kb2 81.Rb8+ (274.159) 17.6
> 17.01 0:18 0.00 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.f4 Kb2 77.Rb8+ Kc3 78.Rc8+ Kb3 79.Rb8+ Ka3
>80.Ra8+ Kb2 81.Rb8+ (419.064) 22.4
> 18.01 0:21 0.00 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.f4 Kb2 77.Rb8+ Kc3 78.Rc8+ Kb3 79.Rb8+ Ka3
>80.Ra8+ Kb2 81.Rb8+ (556.672) 25.7
> 19.01 0:37 0.00 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.f4 Kb2 77.Rb8+ Kc3 78.Rc8+ Kb3 79.Rb8+ Ka3
>80.Ra8+ Kb2 81.Rb8+ (1.480.840) 39.6
> 20.01 1:14 -0.25-- 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.f4 Kb2 77.Rb8+ Kc3 78.Rc8+ Kb3 79.Rb8+ Ka3
>80.Ra8+ Kb4 81.f5 (5.196.495) 69.4
> 20.01 1:41 -0.75-- 75.Ke5 d1Q 76.f4 Kb2 77.Rb8+ Kc3 78.Rc8+ Kb3 79.Rb8+ Ka3
>80.Ra8+ Kb4 81.f5 Qh1 82.Rb8+ Ka3 83.Ke6 (9.988.873) 98.8
>
>best move: Kd6-e5 time: 1:58.522 min n/s: 124.991 nodes: 14.808.798 TB:
>285.481
It seems you're absolutely right about the analyse mode as you can see
below too - DS does not even consider any other move than Ke5!
The almost strange thing is that if I use "calculate" instead it does
not consider any move than Rb8...hmmm?!
I used 64MB HT and the standard 1MB for EGTBS and changed the clock to
1hour/game; the somehow low kn/sec do result from open IE5.5 + open
connection but I am sure it wont influence the calculations here as I
did the same testing about over an quarter of an hour with the same result.
It feels like some bug towards the 3x repetition maybe in connection with
the draw contemption factor which I did not found to change at a quick look.
Regards,
Günther
<b>analyse</b>
Eröffnungsbuch: C:\Programme\Shredder5\shredder.bkt
Tablebases mit max. 5 Steinen gefunden! [Cache: 1 MB + intern 13.20 MB]
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Engine: Deep Shredder
von Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
R7/8/3K4/8/7P/5P2/3p4/1k6 w - -
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
8 | T |:::| |:::| |:::| |:::
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
7 |:::| |:::| |:::| |:::|
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
6 | |:::| | K | |:::| |:::
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
5 |:::| |:::| |:::| |:::|
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
4 | |:::| |:::| |:::| | B
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
3 |:::| |:::| |:::| B |:::|
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
2 | |:::| |*B*| |:::| |:::
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
1 |:::|*K*|:::| |:::| |:::|
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
a b c d e f g h
Deep Shredder
8.01 0:00 0.00 75.Ke5 d1D 76.Tg8 (7.851) 12.0
9.01 0:01 0.00 75.Ke5 d1D 76.Tg8 (13.519) 13.0
10.01 0:01 0.00 75.Ke5 d1D 76.Tg8 (21.013) 15.8
11.01 0:01 0.00 75.Ke5 d1D 76.Tg8 (24.219) 17.9
12.01 0:01 0.00 75.Ke5 d1D 76.Tg8 (42.925) 29.0
13.01 0:01 0.00 75.Ke5 d1D 76.Tb8+ Kc2 77.Ke6 (89.102) 49.6
14.01 0:02 0.00 75.Ke5 d1D 76.Tb8+ Kc2 77.Ke6 (138.640) 60.9
15.01 0:04 0.00 75.Ke5 d1D 76.Tb8+ Kc2 77.Ke6 (269.607) 63.5
16.01 0:07 0.00 75.Ke5 d1D 76.Tb8+ Kc2 77.Ke6 (435.174) 60.8
17.01 0:09 0.00 75.Ke5 d1D 76.Tb8+ Kc2 77.Ke6 (645.212) 67.7
18.01 0:14 0.00 75.Ke5 d1D 76.Tb8+ Kc2 77.Ke6 (950.812) 67.7
19.01 0:29 0.00 75.Ke5 d1D 76.Tb8+ Kc2 77.Ke6 Dxf3 (2.301.231) 77.4
20.01 0:49 0.00 75.Ke5 d1D 76.Tb8+ Kc2 77.f4 Dg1 78.Ke6 (3.396.717) 67.9
21.01 2:53 -0.25-- 75.Ke5 d1D 76.Tb8+ Kc2 77.f4 Dg1 78.Ke6 De1+ 79.Kd7
(14.273.507) 82.3
Bester Zug: Kd6-e5 Zeit: 3:55.425 min K/s: 93.354 Knoten: 21.975.804 TB:
622.447
<b>calculate</b>
Deep Shredder
60:00 min to go (1:20, 9:00)
10.01 0:00 0.00 75.Tb8+ Kc2 (23.966) 25.6
11.01 0:00 0.00 75.Tb8+ Kc2 (28.914) 29.7
12.01 0:01 0.00 75.Tb8+ Kc2 (50.260) 44.4
13.01 0:01 0.00 75.Tb8+ Kc2 (117.200) 71.5
14.01 0:04 0.00 75.Tb8+ Kc2 76.Tc8+ Kb3 77.Tb8+ Ka2 78.Ta8+ Kb1 79.Ke5
(338.785) 81.5
15.01 0:06 0.00 75.Tb8+ Kc2 76.Tc8+ Kb3 77.Tb8+ Ka2 78.Ta8+ Kb1 79.Ke5
(482.923) 75.5
16.01 0:09 0.00 75.Tb8+ Kc2 76.Tc8+ Kb3 77.Tb8+ Ka2 78.Ta8+ Kb1 79.Ke5
(715.227) 72.3
17.01 0:14 0.00 75.Tb8+ Kc2 76.Tc8+ Kb3 77.Tb8+ Ka2 78.Ta8+ Kb1 79.Ke5
(1.018.967) 71.7
18.01 0:21 0.00 75.Tb8+ Kc2 76.Tc8+ Kb3 77.Tb8+ Ka2 78.Ta8+ Kb1 79.Ke5
(1.505.606) 70.4
19.01 0:37 0.00 75.Tb8+ Kc2 76.Tc8+ Kb3 77.Tb8+ Ka2 78.Ta8+ Kb1 79.Ke5
(2.586.031) 68.7
Bester Zug: Ta8-b8 Zeit: 0:43.830 min K/s: 66.443 Knoten: 2.910.558 TB:
84.018
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