Author: Eduard Nemeth
Date: 09:41:50 06/03/01
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On June 03, 2001 at 00:14:44, Jeff Lischer wrote: >On June 02, 2001 at 06:10:22, Eduard Nemeth wrote: > >>On June 02, 2001 at 06:04:56, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >> >>>On June 01, 2001 at 17:59:45, John Merlino wrote: >>> >>>>On June 01, 2001 at 11:13:10, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >>>> >>>>>[Event "It Astana"] >>>>>[Site "?"] >>>>>[Date "2001.??.??"] >>>>>[Round "?"] >>>>>[White "Kasparov,G"] >>>>>[Black "Kramnik,V"] >>>>>[ECO "C67"] >>>>>[Result "1-0"] >>>>> >>>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Nxe4 5. d4 Nd6 >>>>>6. Bxc6 dxc6 7. dxe5 Nf5 8. Qxd8+ Kxd8 9. Nc3 h6 10. h3 Bd7 >>>>>11. b3 Ke8 12. Bb2 Rd8 13. Rad1 Ne7 14. Rfe1 Ng6 15. Ne4 >>>>>Nf4 16. e6 Nxe6 17. Nd4 c5 18. Nf5 Rh7 19. Bf6 Rc8 20. Bxg7 >>>>>Bxg7 21. Nxg7+ Rxg7 22. Nf6+ Ke7 23. Nxd7 Rd8 24. Ne5 Rxd1 >>>>>25. Rxd1 Nf4 26. Kh1 Rg5 27. Ng4 Rd5 28. Re1+ Kf8 29. Nxh6 >>>>>Rd2 30. Re5 Rxf2 31. Rf5 Kg7 32. Ng4 Rxg2 33. Rxf4 Rxc2 >>>>>34. Rf2 Rc3 35. Kg2 b5 36. h4 c4 37. h5 cxb3 38. axb3 Rc5 >>>>>39. h6+ Kf8 40. Nf6 Rg5+ 41. Kh1 1-0 >>>>> >>>>>What was the loosing move vor black? >>>>> >>>>>I think it was move 27...Rd5? >>>>> >>>>>[D]8/ppp1kp2/7p/2p3r1/5nN1/1P5P/P1P2PP1/3R3K b - - >>>>> >>>>>What say the best programs ? >>>>> >>>>>Eduard >>>> >>>>CM8000 agrees with DeepShredder (as mentioned in a different post): >>>> >>>>Before 30...Rxf2: >>>> >>>>Time Depth Score Positions Moves >>>>0:00 1/4 0.61 2807 4...Rxc2 5. Rf5 Rxf2 6. Rxf7+ Ke8 >>>>0:00 3/6 0.86 22539 4...Rxc2 5. Rf5 Rxf2 6. Rxf7+ Ke8 >>>> 7. h4 Rf1+ 8. Kh2 Rf2 >>>>0:01 4/7 0.90 73421 4...Rxc2 5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Rxf4 Kxh6 >>>> 7. Rxf7 Rxa2 8. Rxc7 Rxf2 9. Rxb7 >>>>0:03 5/8 0.90 261099 4...Rxc2 5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Rxf4 Kxh6 >>>> 7. Rxf7 Rxa2 8. Rxc7 Rxf2 9. Rxb7 >>>>0:07 5/8 0.87 567220 4...Ne6 5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Rxf7+ Kxh6 >>>> 7. Rf6+ Kg5 8. Rxe6 Rxc2 9. Kg1 >>>> Rxa2 10. Re5+ Kg6 11. Rxc5 >>>>0:09 6/9 0.79 801199 4...Ne6 5. Rf5 Rxc2 6. Rxf7+ Ke8 >>>> 7. h4 Rxa2 8. g4 Rb2 9. Rf6 Kd7 >>>>0:27 7/10 0.58 2657640 4...Ne6 5. Rf5 Rxc2 6. Rxf7+ Ke8 >>>> 7. a4 c4 8. bxc4 Rxc4 9. a5 b5 >>>> 10. axb6ep axb6 >>>>1:18 8/11 0.47 7861451 4...Ne6 5. Rf5 Rxc2 6. Rxf7+ Ke8 >>>> 7. a3 Rb2 8. f4 Rxb3 9. f5 Nd8 >>>> 10. Rxc7 Rxa3 11. Rxc5 >>>>3:53 9/12 0.51 24016174 4...Ne6 5. Rf5 Rxc2 6. Rxf7+ Ke8 >>>> 7. a4 c4 8. bxc4 Rxc4 9. a5 a6 >>>> 10. g3 Rc5 11. Rf6 Kd7 >>>> >>>>After 30...Rxf2: >>>> >>>>Time Depth Score Positions Moves >>>>0:00 2/5 1.26 12269 5. Rxc5 Ne6 6. Rf5 Rxc2 7. Rxf7+ >>>> Ke8 >>>>0:00 3/6 1.11 25013 5. Rxc5 Rxg2 6. Rxc7 Rg3 7. Rc8+ >>>> Ke7 8. Nf5+ Kd7 >>>>0:02 4/7 1.20 87851 5. Rxc5 Kg7 6. Ng4 Ne6 7. Nxf2 >>>> Nxc5 8. Nd3 >>>>0:03 5/8 1.20 244530 5. Rxc5 Ne6 6. Rf5 Rxc2 7. Rxf7+ >>>> Ke8 8. a3 Rc3 9. Rf6 Kd7 >>>>0:08 6/9 1.11 731426 5. Rxc5 Ne6 6. Ra5 Rxc2 7. Rxa7 >>>> Kg7 8. Nf5+ Kf6 9. Ra5 Kg6 10. Kh2 >>>>0:14 6/9 1.38 1259926 5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Ng4 Rxg2 7. Rxf4 >>>> Rxc2 8. Rf2 Rxf2 9. Nxf2 f5 10. >>>> Kg2 >>>>0:24 7/10 1.36 2291595 5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Ng4 Rxg2 7. Rxf4 >>>> Rxc2 8. Rf2 Rxf2 9. Nxf2 f5 10. >>>> Nd3 >>>>1:02 8/11 1.51 6080183 5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Ng4 Rxg2 7. Rxf4 >>>> Rxc2 8. Rf2 Rxf2 9. Nxf2 f5 10. >>>> Nd3 b6 11. Kg2 >>>>2:38 9/12 1.47 16397563 5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Ng4 Rxg2 7. Rxf4 >>>> Rxc2 8. Rf2 Rxf2 9. Nxf2 f5 10. >>>> Nd3 b6 11. Kg2 Kf6 >>>> >>>>Loss of a full point, basically.... >>>> >>>>jm >>> >>Thanks John ! >> >>We (in german ChessBits) discuss now likewise a new position: >> >>[D]8/ppp2pk1/7N/2pr4/5n2/1P5P/P1P2PP1/4R2K w - - 0 1 >> >>Kramnik played 29...Rd2. We think now that 29...Kg7 is stronger! >> >>Thanks, and best wishes, >>Eduard > >Century 3.1 definitely likes moves other than Kramnik's 27, 29, and 30. All by >about 1/2 pawn: > >27. Ng4 Rd5 >Kramnik,V :14.00 -0.54 Rd5 Rxd5 Nxd5 Nxh6 Nb4 Ng8 Kf8 Nf6 b6 h4 Nxc2 >CENTURY 3.1!!:14.00 -0.00 h5 Ne3 c6 c4 Ke6 Kh2 Re5 g4 hxg4 hxg4 > >29. Nxh6 Rd2 >Kramnik,V :15.00 -0.70 Rd2 Re5 Kg7 Nf5 Kf6 Ne3 Kxe5 Nc4 Kd4 Nxd2 Kc3 >CENTURY 3.1 :15.00 -0.26 Kg7 Ng4 Rd2 Re4 Ne6 Ra4 a6 c4 f5 Ne3 Rxf2 Kg1 > >30. Re5 Rxf2 >Kramnik,V :14.00 -1.24 Rxf2 Rf5 Ke7 Ng4 Rxg2 Rxf4 Rxc2 h4 >CENTURY 3.1!!:14.00 -0.62 Kg7 Nf5+ Kf6 Ne3 Kxe5 Nc4 Kd4 Nxd2 Kc3 Ne4 > >Is this what other programs are saying too? Hello Jeff! No it was a analysis "without" computers! The analysis by new Century 3.1 ist very strong! Thanks for this analysis. Best wishes, Eduard
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