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Subject: Re: Starting position to 30 ply

Author: Rudolf Huber

Date: 04:14:42 06/04/01

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On June 04, 2001 at 04:35:19, Uri Blass wrote:

>On June 04, 2001 at 03:36:25, Rudolf Huber wrote:
>
>>
>>A couple of days ago I said (in a discussion about mtd(f)) that my chess
>>program can search the starting position to 30 ply over night when the eval
>>evaluates material only:
>>
>>
>>SOS no eval
>> 1.00 0:00 0.00 1.h3 (2)
>> 2.00 0:00 0.00 1.h3 (45)
....
>> 31.01 513:07 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>>(471.878.568) 573.3
>>
>>
>>Actually 30 ply was reached after 2:41 hours.
>>
>>SW: no search extensions, normal nullmove pruning, normal quiescence
>> search
>>HW: 2xCeleron 466 MHz, 500 MByte Hash
>>
>>
>>Can anyone do better?
>Some questions:
>
>1)Is normal null move pruning recursive or not recursive null move pruning?
>In other words is it possible that your program will miss something that is 15
>plies when it searches 30 plies not because of zunzwang.
>

Recursive.

Yes it is. But not likely. The position is not an endgame
and my zugzwang detection procedures were active.

>2)What is the result without null move pruning?
>It will be interesting to compare your results with Deeper blue depthes in the
>positions from kasparov-deeper blue games.
>

This 30 ply search works only in the starting position. In normal middlegame
positions it is lower.

Rudolf




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