Author: Rajen Gupta
Date: 11:17:03 06/04/01
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On June 04, 2001 at 10:11:45, Uri Blass wrote: >On June 04, 2001 at 09:35:41, Rajen Gupta wrote: > >>On June 04, 2001 at 08:57:09, José Carlos wrote: >> >>>On June 04, 2001 at 08:28:43, Jouni Uski wrote: >>> >>>>1/2/(5) years? Yes, if we remove benefit from better hardware, what is left?? >>>>Any real improvement is playing level of top engines. 5 points from Nalimov >>>>may be?! >>>> >>>>Jouni >>> >>> I think you cannot remove benefit from better hardware, because most >>>programmer adapt to new hardware to get better programs. For example, a lot of >>>programs have become SMP. This has happend because multiprocessor machines have >>>become cheaper, so it is a hardware improvement that leads to software >>>improvement. >>> Besides that, you can chose your favourite program and compare versions. Let's >>>say Fritz. Compare strength of versions 4.01, 5.32, 6, Deep Fritz. I think you >>>can answer your own question, can't you? >>> >>> José C. >> >>i'm not sure: see my previous post. get the chessbase engines to play each other >>from an individual copy of the same opening book-you'll be surprised at the lack >>of any difference in engine strength.i'm planning to play the 2 tigers vs j5, >>f5.32 and f6 light, all from individual copies of the same opening book(tiger >>book).also going to play f5.16 vs f4 vs h6)if there is no significant difference >>in playing strength between them (i have a suspicion that it might be the case) >>then i'll probably stop buying newer programmes. > >I am almost sure that you will find significant difference >if you play enough games. > >I will be surprised if you do not find at least 50 elo difference. >> >>inmo 95% of the so-called increse in strength is purely the result of better >>opening books, book learning functions, access to endgametables and tuning >>against the immediate predecessor programmes. > >I do not believe in it. > >I believe that at least 50% of the improvement is a result of better >engines. > >Uri hi uri; i would also prefer to believe that the engines have kept improving,. unfortunately i could not test that out in the past because my computer had several users and i simply could not play a long series of matches; also different chess programmes, being produced by different companies could not be made to autoplay play against each other. now with chessbase producing nearly 90% of the best software as well as the fact that i have another computer i'm testing out my theory-(autoplaying the following engines against each other-tiger14, gambit tiger, junior5, fritz 5.32 fritz6 light-at least 50 games each. all with exactly the same opening book (tiger book) so far tiger vs junior5; +4; -4 =6 as i've said if the tigers are no stronger than the older engines i will stop buying new programmes
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