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Subject: Re: Starting position to 30 ply

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 11:33:45 06/04/01

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On June 04, 2001 at 07:14:42, Rudolf Huber wrote:

>On June 04, 2001 at 04:35:19, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On June 04, 2001 at 03:36:25, Rudolf Huber wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>A couple of days ago I said (in a discussion about mtd(f)) that my chess
>>>program can search the starting position to 30 ply over night when the eval
>>>evaluates material only:
>>>
>>>
>>>SOS no eval
>>> 1.00 0:00 0.00 1.h3 (2)
>>> 2.00 0:00 0.00 1.h3 (45)
>....
>>> 31.01 513:07 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>>>(471.878.568) 573.3
>>>
>>>
>>>Actually 30 ply was reached after 2:41 hours.
>>>
>>>SW: no search extensions, normal nullmove pruning, normal quiescence
>>> search
>>>HW: 2xCeleron 466 MHz, 500 MByte Hash
>>>
>>>
>>>Can anyone do better?
>>Some questions:
>>
>>1)Is normal null move pruning recursive or not recursive null move pruning?
>>In other words is it possible that your program will miss something that is 15
>>plies when it searches 30 plies not because of zunzwang.
>>
>
>Recursive.
>
>Yes it is. But not likely. The position is not an endgame
>and my zugzwang detection procedures were active.
>
>>2)What is the result without null move pruning?
>>It will be interesting to compare your results with Deeper blue depthes in the
>>positions from kasparov-deeper blue games.
>>
>
>This 30 ply search works only in the starting position. In normal middlegame
>positions it is lower.

depends upon move ordering of course

>Rudolf



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