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Subject: Re: Starting position to 30 ply

Author: Andrew Williams

Date: 11:52:13 06/04/01

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On June 04, 2001 at 03:36:25, Rudolf Huber wrote:

>
>A couple of days ago I said (in a discussion about mtd(f)) that my chess
>program can search the starting position to 30 ply over night when the eval
>evaluates material only:
>
>
>SOS no eval
>  1.00   0:00    0.00   1.h3 (2)
>  2.00   0:00    0.00   1.h3 (45)
>  3.00   0:00    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 (138)
>  4.00   0:00    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 (263)
>  5.00   0:00    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 (435)
>  6.01   0:00    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 (1.860)
>  7.01   0:00    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 (1.942)
>  8.01   0:00    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 (2.024)
>  9.01   0:00    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 (5.086)
> 10.01   0:00    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 (16.891)
> 11.01   0:00    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (41.424)
> 12.01   0:00    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (94.654)
>463.9
> 13.01   0:00    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (132.293)
>497.3
> 14.01   0:00    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (245.124)
>505.4
> 15.01   0:00    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (359.203)
>533.7
> 16.01   0:01    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (714.937)
>593.8
> 17.01   0:02    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (1.212.436)
>570.2
> 18.01   0:02    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (1.729.490)
>585.4
> 19.01   0:05    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (3.025.316)
>605.0
> 20.01   0:08    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (4.700.415)
>587.5
> 21.01   0:15    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (9.323.868)
>621.5
> 22.01   0:29    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (16.881.247)
>582.1
> 23.01   0:48    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (28.659.953)
>597.0
> 24.01   1:36    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (56.472.536)
>588.2
> 25.01   3:37    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>(127.308.632) 586.6
> 26.01   7:41    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>(275.114.597) 596.7
> 27.01  17:31    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>(622.179.104) 591.9
> 28.01  45:16    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>(1.602.666.536) 590.0
> 29.01  80:46    0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>(-1452508008) 586.5
> 30.01  161:28   0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>(1.397.948.590) 587.6
> 31.01  513:07   0.00   1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>(471.878.568) 573.3
>
>
>Actually 30 ply was reached after 2:41 hours.
>
>SW: no search extensions, normal nullmove pruning, normal quiescence
>    search
>HW: 2xCeleron 466 MHz, 500 MByte Hash
>
>
>Can anyone do better?
>

Yes. PostModernist on an Athlon 1200 finishes 30 plies in 53 minutes.
PostModernist is also an MTD(f) program. I switched off search extensions
in line with your experiment:

 1=     0     0         23   1. a3
 2=     0     0         46   1. a3
 3=     0     0        109   1. a3
 4=     0     0        211   1. a3 a6
 5=     0     0        352   1. a3 a6 2. a4
 6=     0     0        959   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5
 7=     0     0       2463   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3
 8=     0     0       3974   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6
 9=     0     0       6304   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3
10=     0     0       9674   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6
11=     0     0      20608   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4
12=     0     0      45784   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4 axb4
13=     0     0      71389   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4 axb4
14=     0     0     112415   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4 axb4
15=     0     0     173559   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4 axb4
16=     0     0     332658   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4 axb4
17=     0     1     676245   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4 axb4
18=     0     3    1057702   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4 axb4
19=     0     4    1716569   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4 axb4
20=     0     7    2643135   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4 axb4
21=     0    13    4782102   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4 axb4
22=     0    24    9135626   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4 axb4
23=     0    38   14678794   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4 axb4
24=     0    65   24932990   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4 axb4
25=     0   106   39998866   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4 axb4
26=     0   210   74602601   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4 axb4
27=     0   405  142620369   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4 axb4
28=     0   777  267815428   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4 axb4
29=     0  1591  531037924   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4 axb4
30=     0  3169 1012106507   1. a3 a6 2. a4 a5 3. b3 b6 4. c3 c6 5. b4 axb4


Andrew



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