Author: Mark Young
Date: 23:02:31 06/04/01
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On June 04, 2001 at 23:56:30, Slater Wold wrote:
>On June 04, 2001 at 23:16:07, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On June 04, 2001 at 22:37:54, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On June 04, 2001 at 11:08:11, Mark Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 04, 2001 at 10:34:36, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>This is the annotated game by Petr. Look like Mark was correct, 10...Bxf3 was
>>>>>the correct move as well as 10...Be6 or 10...Bh5. Shredder was lost, bottom
>>>>>line.
>>>>
>>>>I can't be wrong all the time:)
>>>
>>>
>>>I doubt that _one_ move lost the game. It was the _group_ of bad moves that
>>>made it hopeless.. Against a good GM you can't toss a tempi here, a tempi
>>>there, and expect to do anything but get tossed overboard yourself. :)
>
>I agree. Moves 9-14 Shredder sat back and watched a 2500+ player mound an
>attack on it, while it silently sat back and moves pieces back and forth. I've
>played well over 1,000 games with Shredder, and have NEVER seen it play this
>poorly.
>
>>>
>>>Of course, the computers are all super-GM players, so this discussion really
>>>is _not_ happening. :)
>
>Yes, I believe Peter gave Shredder the super-GM ELO of 2100-2200.
>
>>
>>Who said "all" computers are super-GM players. :)
>>
>>The only computers that "could" try and claim that they are Super-GM Players are
>>Deep Blue, and Deep Junior. We will have to wait and see what Fritz 7 can do.
>
>Computers that can claim GM status: Deep Blue.
>
>Programs that can claim GM status: Yet to be answered.
>
>>
>>Many programs are GM strength(> 2500 elo), but Super-GM...I don't think so
>>either.
>
>Well, Deep Fritz sits atop the SSDF list right now with something like a 2700+
>rating. And remember, Deep Shredder is the "best", therefore meaning it should
>be at least even with Deep Fritz. A 2500 GM played it, killed it, and then said
>it was a 2100-2200 player. I think a LOT of people are a little too giving when
>they go handing out computer programs ELO's.
I cannot comment about Deep
>Junior, I have seen very FEW games involving Deep Junior and humans, but I know
>it's not a terrific Computer vs Computer player. Or at least, not top 3 or 4.
Junior is a top all around program, Junior is one of the best Computer vs.
Computer programs I have seen. And has the best result playing against top human
Grandmasters.
Playing in Dortmund 2000 Super GM tournament (cat. XIX 2702elo) Deep Junior
earned a 2700 Elo rating.
[Event "Chess Meeting 2000 Super"]
[Site "Dortmund"]
[Date "2000.07.07"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Bareev, Evgeny"]
[Black "Junior 6"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D45"]
[WhiteElo "2702"]
[PlyCount "146"]
[EventDate "2000.07.07"]
1. c4 e6 2. Nc3 d5 3. d4 c6 4. e3 Nf6 5. b3 Nbd7 6. Bb2 Bd6 7. Nf3 O-O 8. Bd3
Qe7 9. O-O e5 10. Be2 e4 11. Nd2 a6 12. cxd5 cxd5 13. b4 Bxb4 14. Qb3 Nb8 15.
Na4 Qd6 16. Rfd1 Nc6 17. Bc3 Bxc3 18. Qxc3 Bg4 19. Bxg4 Nxg4 20. Nf1 b5 21. Nc5
Rfc8 22. Rdc1 h5 23. Rc2 Nf6 24. Rac1 Ne8 25. a4 b4 26. Qe1 h4 27. h3 Qh6 28.
Nb3 Rc7 29. Qe2 Raa7 30. Qg4 Kf8 31. Nfd2 Ne7 32. Rxc7 Rxc7 33. Nc5 Ra7 34.
Ndb3 Kg8 35. Qe2 Nc7 36. a5 Nb5 37. Qd2 Nc6 38. Na4 Qf6 39. Rc5 Rc7 40. Qe2 g6
41. Qc2 Kg7 42. Qe2 Kh8 43. Qc2 Qd6 44. Qe2 f5 45. Qd1 Kh7 46. Qe2 Rf7 47. f4
exf3 48. Qxf3 Ne7 49. Qf4 Qxf4 50. exf4 Rf6 51. Nb6 Rd6 52. Kf2 Kh6 53. Nc8
Nxc8 54. Rxc8 Kg7 55. Ke3 Re6+ 56. Kd3 Re1 57. Rc1 Rxc1 58. Nxc1 Kf6 59. Na2 b3
60. Nb4 Ke6 61. Nxa6 Kd6 62. Nb4 Nxd4 63. Kc3 Ne2+ 64. Kxb3 Nxf4 65. a6 Kc7 66.
Kc3 g5 67. Kd4 g4 68. Kc5 d4 69. Kxd4 Nxg2 70. Nd3 gxh3 71. Nf2 h2 72. Ke5 f4
73. Ke4 Kb6 1/2-1/2
[Event "Chess Meeting 2000 Super"]
[Site "Dortmund"]
[Date "2000.07.08"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Junior 6"]
[Black "Huebner, Robert"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C04"]
[BlackElo "2615"]
[PlyCount "39"]
[EventDate "2000.07.07"]
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 Nc6 4. Ngf3 Nf6 5. e5 Nd7 6. Nb3 Be7 7. Bb5 O-O 8. O-O
Ncb8 9. c3 b6 10. Nbd2 Ba6 11. a4 c6 12. Bxa6 Nxa6 13. Qe2 Nc7 14. b3 c5 15.
Re1 Nb8 16. Ba3 Nc6 17. Qd3 Rc8 18. a5 Ra8 19. Kh1 Qd7 20. dxc5 1-0
[Event "Chess Meeting 2000 Super"]
[Site "Dortmund"]
[Date "2000.07.09"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Adams, Michael"]
[Black "Junior 6"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C68"]
[WhiteElo "2755"]
[PlyCount "84"]
[EventDate "2000.07.07"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Bxc6 dxc6 5. d4 exd4 6. Qxd4 Qxd4 7. Nxd4 c5
8. Ne2 Bd7 9. Be3 Nf6 10. f3 O-O-O 11. Nd2 h6 12. O-O-O g6 13. h4 b6 14. Nf4
Bg7 15. Nf1 Rhe8 16. Ng3 a5 17. Bd2 h5 18. c4 Ba4 19. b3 Bc6 20. Kc2 Nd7 21.
Bc3 Bh6 22. Nh3 a4 23. Rhe1 Ne5 24. Rxd8+ Kxd8 25. Ne2 Kc8 26. Nef4 Bd7 27. Rd1
Nc6 28. Ng5 f5 29. e5 Nxe5 30. Bxe5 Rxe5 31. Nxg6 Re2+ 32. Rd2 Re8 33. Nf4 Bg7
34. Re2 Rxe2+ 35. Nxe2 axb3+ 36. axb3 Be8 37. Kd3 Kd7 38. Nh3 Bf6 39. g3 Be5
40. Nhf4 Bf7 41. Ke3 Kd6 42. Nd3 Bf6 1/2-1/2
[Event "Chess Meeting 2000 Super"]
[Site "Dortmund"]
[Date "2000.07.10"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Junior 6"]
[Black "Khalifman, Alexander"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B08"]
[BlackElo "2667"]
[PlyCount "129"]
[EventDate "2000.07.07"]
1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 c6 4. Nf3 d6 5. Be3 Nf6 6. Qd2 b5 7. Bd3 Bg4 8. e5 b4
9. Ne4 Nxe4 10. Bxe4 d5 11. Bd3 Bxf3 12. gxf3 Qb6 13. h4 Nd7 14. h5 c5 15. dxc5
Nxc5 16. Be2 O-O 17. Qxd5 Rac8 18. hxg6 hxg6 19. Qd4 g5 20. Bxg5 Ne6 21. Qxb6
axb6 22. Bxe7 Rfe8 23. Bd6 Nd4 24. Bd3 Bxe5 25. O-O-O Bxd6 26. Bh7+ Kf8 27.
Rxd4 Bc5 28. Rg4 Ke7 29. Re1+ Kd6 30. Rd1+ Kc7 31. Bd3 Rcd8 32. Rf1 Rd4 33. Be4
Re5 34. Rh1 Re7 35. Rg5 Rd6 36. Rg2 Red7 37. Bf5 Re7 38. Rf1 Re5 39. Be4 Re7
40. Rh2 Red7 41. f4 Rd4 42. f3 Bd6 43. Rh4 Bc5 44. Rhh1 Rd2 45. Kb1 Rg2 46. f5
Bd4 47. Rd1 Bc5 48. Bd3 Rg3 49. Rdf1 Re7 50. Be4 Rd7 51. Ka1 Bd4 52. Bd3 Re7
53. Bc4 f6 54. Kb1 Reg7 55. Rh4 Bc5 56. Re4 Rg1 57. Rc1 R7g5 58. Be2 Rxc1+ 59.
Kxc1 Rxf5 60. Kd2 Rd5+ 61. Bd3 Bd4 62. Kc1 Bc5 63. Re6 Rd6 64. Re2 Rd7 65. Rg2
1/2-1/2
[Event "Chess Meeting 2000 Super"]
[Site "Dortmund"]
[Date "2000.07.12"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Black "Junior 6"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D00"]
[WhiteElo "2770"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[EventDate "2000.07.07"]
1. d4 d5 2. e3 Nf6 3. Bd3 e6 4. f4 Be7 5. Nf3 c5 6. c3 O-O 7. Nbd2 Ng4 8. Qe2
c4 9. Bc2 f5 10. Rg1 Nc6 11. h3 Nf6 12. g4 Ne4 13. Qg2 g6 14. Qh2 Kh8 15. h4
Nxd2 16. Bxd2 fxg4 17. Ng5 Qe8 18. h5 gxh5 19. Rxg4 Rf6 20. Rh4 Rh6 21. O-O-O
a5 22. Rh1 b5 23. Bd1 Ra7 24. Bxh5 Qf8 25. e4 Bd8 26. f5 b4 27. Bg6 Rxh4 28.
Qxh4 bxc3 29. bxc3 Bf6 30. Qxh7+ Rxh7 31. Rxh7+ Kg8 32. Bf7+ Qxf7 33. Rxf7 1-0
[Event "Chess Meeting 2000 Super"]
[Site "Dortmund"]
[Date "2000.07.13"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Junior 6"]
[Black "Akopian, Vladimir"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B00"]
[BlackElo "2660"]
[PlyCount "89"]
[EventDate "2000.07.07"]
1. e4 b6 2. d4 Bb7 3. Bd3 Nf6 4. Qe2 e6 5. Nf3 d5 6. e5 Nfd7 7. Ng5 Be7 8. Qg4
h5 9. Qg3 Nf8 10. O-O Ba6 11. Bxa6 Nxa6 12. c3 c5 13. Rd1 c4 14. Re1 Rc8 15. h4
Nh7 16. Nf3 Rg8 17. Bg5 Nxg5 18. Nxg5 Nb8 19. Nd2 Nc6 20. b3 Na5 21. Re3 Bxg5
22. hxg5 g6 23. Rf3 Rc7 24. Rf6 Qc8 25. Qf4 Rf8 26. b4 Nc6 27. Nf3 Re7 28. Nh4
Rg8 29. a4 Rg7 30. Qc1 Rc7 31. a5 b5 32. Qe3 Kd7 33. Kh1 a6 34. Rd1 Qe8 35. Kh2
Ne7 36. Rh1 Ng8 37. Rf3 Ne7 38. Rh3 Nf5 39. Nxf5 exf5 40. Re1 Rc6 41. Qf3 Qe6
42. Rh1 Rc8 43. Qe3 Qe7 44. Qf4 Qe6 45. Re1 1/2-1/2
[Event "Chess Meeting 2000 Super"]
[Site "Dortmund"]
[Date "2000.07.14"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Junior 6"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D05"]
[WhiteElo "2762"]
[PlyCount "35"]
[EventDate "2000.07.07"]
1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e3 e6 4. Bd3 c5 5. c3 Nc6 6. Nbd2 Be7 7. a3 Qc7 8. Qe2
O-O 9. O-O Rd8 10. Re1 a6 11. h3 b5 12. dxc5 Bxc5 13. e4 Nh5 14. Nb3 Ng3 15.
Qc2 dxe4 16. Nxc5 exd3 17. Nxd3 Nf5 18. Bf4 1/2-1/2
[Event "Chess Meeting 2000 Super"]
[Site "Dortmund"]
[Date "2000.07.15"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Junior 6"]
[Black "Piket, Jeroen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B15"]
[BlackElo "2649"]
[PlyCount "68"]
[EventDate "2000.07.07"]
1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 c6 4. Nf3 d5 5. h3 a6 6. Bf4 Nf6 7. e5 Nfd7 8. Qd2 e6
9. Bg5 Qb6 10. O-O-O h6 11. Be3 Qc7 12. h4 b5 13. Bf4 Nb6 14. a3 N8d7 15. Kb1
a5 16. Na2 Qa7 17. g4 Bf8 18. c3 Ba6 19. Qe1 Nc4 20. Bd2 Be7 21. Nc1 Ndb6 22.
h5 g5 23. Na2 Kd7 24. Bc1 Rhb8 25. Ka1 b4 26. Nd2 Nxd2 27. Bxd2 Bxf1 28. Rxf1
Nc4 29. Rb1 b3 30. Nc1 Bxa3 31. Qd1 Qb6 32. bxa3 b2+ 33. Ka2 bxc1=N+ 34. Qxc1
Qxb1+ 0-1
[Event "Chess Meeting 2000 Super"]
[Site "Dortmund"]
[Date "2000.07.??"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Leko, Peter"]
[Black "Junior 6"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C48"]
[WhiteElo "2743"]
[PlyCount "120"]
[EventDate "2000.07.07"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Nd4 5. Bc4 Bc5 6. d3 c6 7. Nxd4 Bxd4 8.
Qf3 h5 9. h3 d5 10. exd5 Bxc3+ 11. bxc3 cxd5 12. Bb3 Qc7 13. O-O O-O 14. Qg3 a5
15. a4 Be6 16. Bh6 Ne8 17. Bd2 f6 18. f4 exf4 19. Qxf4 Nd6 20. Rae1 Bf7 21. Qd4
Qc6 22. Re7 Rfe8 23. Rxf7 Nxf7 24. Bxd5 Qd7 25. Rb1 Rad8 26. c4 Qxa4 27. Rxb7
Rd7 28. Rxd7 Qxd7 29. Bxa5 Re2 30. Bb6 Qe8 31. Bc7 Rxc2 32. c5 Kh8 33. Bg3 Qd8
34. Bf2 Rc1+ 35. Kh2 Qb8+ 36. g3 Nh6 37. Kg2 Rc2 38. Be4 h4 39. Qe3 f5 40. Bd5
hxg3 41. Qxg3 Qb5 42. Qe3 Qb4 43. d4 Qb2 44. c6 Kh7 45. Qf4 Qa3 46. Be4 Rxf2+
47. Kxf2 fxe4 48. c7 Qa8 49. d5 Qa7+ 50. Kg2 Qa2+ 51. Qf2 Qc4 52. d6 Qc6 53.
Qf8 e3+ 54. Qf3 Qc2+ 55. Kf1 Qc4+ 56. Kg2 Qe6 57. Qc6 Qa2+ 58. Kh1 Nf5 59. Qe4
Qa1+ 60. Kh2 Qb2+ 0-1
>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>[Event "ICC 30 10 u"]
>>>>>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>>>>>[Date "2001.06.02"]
>>>>>[Round "-"]
>>>>>[White "Petrovich"]
>>>>>[Black "Project"]
>>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>>[ICCResult "Black resigns"]
>>>>>[WhiteElo "2498"]
>>>>>[BlackElo "2523"]
>>>>>[Opening "QGD: exchange, positional line, 5...c6"]
>>>>>[ECO "D35"]
>>>>>[NIC "QO.16"]
>>>>>[Time "09:05:56"]
>>>>>[TimeControl "1800+10"]
>>>>>
>>>>>1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Bg5 c6 6. e3 h6
>>>>>(6...Be7 or 6...Bf5!? ) 7. Bh4 Be7 8.
>>>>>Bd3 O-O 9. Nf3 Bg4(9....Nbd7+= , i think h7-h6 was unnecessary move)
>>>>>10. h3 Bc8? (10..Bxf3 11.Qxf3+=; 10...Bh5 11.g4!?; 10...Be6+=) 11. Qc2 Bd6?
>>>>>(11...Nbd7, 12...Re8, 13....Nf8)
>>>>> 12. Ne5 Qe7 13. f4 White is clear better . Qd8
>>>>>(Black has no good choice ) 14. O-O Be7
>>>>>15. Rae1 Nbd7 16. g4 Nb6 17. Qg2 Be6? 18. Bb1 Re8 19. Qc2 Kf8 20. g5
>>>>>white has decisive advantage
>>>>>Bxh3 21.
>>>>>gxf6 Bxf6 22. Bxf6 Qxf6 23. Rf3 Qh4 24. Qf2!
>>>>>( there are no chances for black in queenless position :)
>>>>> Qxf2+ 25. Kxf2 Bc8 26. Rg3 f6
>>>>>27. Ng6+ Kf7 28. b3 a5 29. a4 Bd7 30. f5!
>>>>>(xg7 is a weakest point ) Nc8 31. Reg1 Rg8 32. Nf4 Nd6 33.
>>>>>Nh5 Ne8 34. Bd3 Kf8 35. e4 dxe4 36. Bc4 Rh8 37. Nxg7 Nd6 38. Ne6+ Bxe6 39.
>>>>>Bxe6 e3+ 40. Kxe3 Re8 41. Ne4 Rxe6 42. fxe6 Nf5+ 43. Kf4 Nxg3 44. Rxg3 h5
>>>>>45. Nxf6 h4 46. Rh3 Ke7 47. Ke5 {Black resigns} 1-0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Enjoy. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Slate
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