Author: Mark Young
Date: 23:21:20 06/04/01
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On June 04, 2001 at 23:56:30, Slater Wold wrote:
>On June 04, 2001 at 23:16:07, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On June 04, 2001 at 22:37:54, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On June 04, 2001 at 11:08:11, Mark Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 04, 2001 at 10:34:36, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>This is the annotated game by Petr. Look like Mark was correct, 10...Bxf3 was
>>>>>the correct move as well as 10...Be6 or 10...Bh5. Shredder was lost, bottom
>>>>>line.
>>>>
>>>>I can't be wrong all the time:)
>>>
>>>
>>>I doubt that _one_ move lost the game. It was the _group_ of bad moves that
>>>made it hopeless.. Against a good GM you can't toss a tempi here, a tempi
>>>there, and expect to do anything but get tossed overboard yourself. :)
>
>I agree. Moves 9-14 Shredder sat back and watched a 2500+ player mound an
>attack on it, while it silently sat back and moves pieces back and forth. I've
>played well over 1,000 games with Shredder, and have NEVER seen it play this
>poorly.
>
>>>
>>>Of course, the computers are all super-GM players, so this discussion really
>>>is _not_ happening. :)
>
>Yes, I believe Peter gave Shredder the super-GM ELO of 2100-2200.
>
>>
>>Who said "all" computers are super-GM players. :)
>>
>>The only computers that "could" try and claim that they are Super-GM Players are
>>Deep Blue, and Deep Junior. We will have to wait and see what Fritz 7 can do.
>
>Computers that can claim GM status: Deep Blue.
>
>Programs that can claim GM status: Yet to be answered.
>
>>
>>Many programs are GM strength(> 2500 elo), but Super-GM...I don't think so
>>either.
>
>Well, Deep Fritz sits atop the SSDF list right now with something like a 2700+
>rating. And remember, Deep Shredder is the "best", therefore meaning it should
>be at least even with Deep Fritz. A 2500 GM played it, killed it, and then said
>it was a 2100-2200 player. I think a LOT of people are a little too giving when
>they go handing out computer programs ELO's. I cannot comment about Deep
>Junior, I have seen very FEW games involving Deep Junior and humans, but I know
>it's not a terrific Computer vs Computer player. Or at least, not top 3 or 4.
I almost forgot, Junior6 is leading the Odyssey-2001 tournament. No bad for not
being a terrific Computer vs Computer program.
Tournament: Odyssey-2001
Place Name Sco MBch Buch Ws
-------------------------------------------------------------
1-3 JUNIOR6A, (9) 3.5(1) 9 13 3
SHREDDER5, (1) 3.5(1) 8 13 3
NIMZO8, (20) 3.5 8 13 3
4-12 REBEL-CENTURY3, (10) 3.0 9½ 16 2
PATZER311B, (17) 3.0(1) 9 14½ 2
CRAFTY 18.7, (19) 3.0 9 14 2
ZCHESS 2.2, (12) 3.0 9 12½ 2
GAMBIT-TIGER2.0, (2) 3.0 8 13 2
DEEP FRITZ, (8) 3.0(1) 7½ 13 2
YACE 0.99.09, (24) 3.0 7½ 12 2
CHESSMASTER8000 1.0.2., (6) 3.0 7½ 11½ 3
MCHESS8, (23) 3.0 7 12 2
13-15 GROMIT 3.8.1, (26) 2.5 7½ 13 2
WCHESS2000, (15) 2.5 7½ 12 1
GANDALF432H, (11) 2.5 6½ 10 2
16-22 HIARCS7.01, (4) 2.0 8 11½ 1
LITTLE-GOLIATH2000V3, (16) 2.0 7½ 12½ 1
GENIUS6.5 CZUB-STYLE, (21) 2.0 7½ 12½ 0
REBEL-TIGER14, (3) 2.0 7 10½ 1
CHESS SYSTEM TAL2.03, (14) 2.0 6½ 11½ 1
ZARKOV4.5R, (13) 2.0 6½ 10½ 1
SHREDDER4 CHESSBITS, (5) 2.0 5½ 9½ 0
23-24 COMET B32, (18) 1.5 7½ 13 1
VIRTUAL-CHESS2, (7) 1.5 6½ 10½ 1
25-26 EUGEN7.92, (25) 0.5 7 10½ 0
SOCRATES X, (22) 0.5 6 10 0
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>[Event "ICC 30 10 u"]
>>>>>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>>>>>[Date "2001.06.02"]
>>>>>[Round "-"]
>>>>>[White "Petrovich"]
>>>>>[Black "Project"]
>>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>>[ICCResult "Black resigns"]
>>>>>[WhiteElo "2498"]
>>>>>[BlackElo "2523"]
>>>>>[Opening "QGD: exchange, positional line, 5...c6"]
>>>>>[ECO "D35"]
>>>>>[NIC "QO.16"]
>>>>>[Time "09:05:56"]
>>>>>[TimeControl "1800+10"]
>>>>>
>>>>>1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Bg5 c6 6. e3 h6
>>>>>(6...Be7 or 6...Bf5!? ) 7. Bh4 Be7 8.
>>>>>Bd3 O-O 9. Nf3 Bg4(9....Nbd7+= , i think h7-h6 was unnecessary move)
>>>>>10. h3 Bc8? (10..Bxf3 11.Qxf3+=; 10...Bh5 11.g4!?; 10...Be6+=) 11. Qc2 Bd6?
>>>>>(11...Nbd7, 12...Re8, 13....Nf8)
>>>>> 12. Ne5 Qe7 13. f4 White is clear better . Qd8
>>>>>(Black has no good choice ) 14. O-O Be7
>>>>>15. Rae1 Nbd7 16. g4 Nb6 17. Qg2 Be6? 18. Bb1 Re8 19. Qc2 Kf8 20. g5
>>>>>white has decisive advantage
>>>>>Bxh3 21.
>>>>>gxf6 Bxf6 22. Bxf6 Qxf6 23. Rf3 Qh4 24. Qf2!
>>>>>( there are no chances for black in queenless position :)
>>>>> Qxf2+ 25. Kxf2 Bc8 26. Rg3 f6
>>>>>27. Ng6+ Kf7 28. b3 a5 29. a4 Bd7 30. f5!
>>>>>(xg7 is a weakest point ) Nc8 31. Reg1 Rg8 32. Nf4 Nd6 33.
>>>>>Nh5 Ne8 34. Bd3 Kf8 35. e4 dxe4 36. Bc4 Rh8 37. Nxg7 Nd6 38. Ne6+ Bxe6 39.
>>>>>Bxe6 e3+ 40. Kxe3 Re8 41. Ne4 Rxe6 42. fxe6 Nf5+ 43. Kf4 Nxg3 44. Rxg3 h5
>>>>>45. Nxf6 h4 46. Rh3 Ke7 47. Ke5 {Black resigns} 1-0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Enjoy. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Slate
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