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Subject: Re: Starting position to 30 ply

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 00:00:41 06/05/01

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On June 05, 2001 at 00:43:51, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On June 04, 2001 at 14:33:45, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On June 04, 2001 at 07:14:42, Rudolf Huber wrote:
>>
>>>On June 04, 2001 at 04:35:19, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 04, 2001 at 03:36:25, Rudolf Huber wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>A couple of days ago I said (in a discussion about mtd(f)) that my chess
>>>>>program can search the starting position to 30 ply over night when the eval
>>>>>evaluates material only:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>SOS no eval
>>>>> 1.00 0:00 0.00 1.h3 (2)
>>>>> 2.00 0:00 0.00 1.h3 (45)
>>>....
>>>>> 31.01 513:07 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>>>>>(471.878.568) 573.3
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually 30 ply was reached after 2:41 hours.
>>>>>
>>>>>SW: no search extensions, normal nullmove pruning, normal quiescence
>>>>> search
>>>>>HW: 2xCeleron 466 MHz, 500 MByte Hash
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Can anyone do better?
>>>>Some questions:
>>>>
>>>>1)Is normal null move pruning recursive or not recursive null move pruning?
>>>>In other words is it possible that your program will miss something that is 15
>>>>plies when it searches 30 plies not because of zunzwang.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Recursive.
>>>
>>>Yes it is. But not likely. The position is not an endgame
>>>and my zugzwang detection procedures were active.
>>>
>>>>2)What is the result without null move pruning?
>>>>It will be interesting to compare your results with Deeper blue depthes in the
>>>>positions from kasparov-deeper blue games.
>>>>
>>>
>>>This 30 ply search works only in the starting position. In normal middlegame
>>>positions it is lower.
>
>This is a very big puzzle to me then.  Does your program really believe that 1.
>h3 is the best move if you don't have an opening book?

h3 was the best move only when only material evaluation was used.

Uri



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