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Subject: Re: A open challenge to those that think computers are only 2100-22000

Author: william penn

Date: 15:14:16 06/05/01

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On June 05, 2001 at 18:05:43, Jonas Cohonas wrote:

>On June 05, 2001 at 17:49:38, william penn wrote:
>
>>On June 05, 2001 at 17:41:53, william penn wrote:
>>
>>>On June 05, 2001 at 17:36:48, John Dahlem wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 05, 2001 at 17:28:29, william penn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 05, 2001 at 16:08:39, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On June 05, 2001 at 15:45:19, william penn wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have an account on icc running on a athlon 1000, i will play a six game match
>>>>>>>against any who wants to get quirrely, i am telling you to 'jump".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TO THE GUY THAT CREATED THE CM SETTING, I AM CALLING YOU OUT, I WANT YOU TO
>>>>>>>SHOW US PUBLICLY THE 30 % YOU BOAST ABOUT. JUST SENT ME AN EMAIL AND WE CAN SET
>>>>>>>UP THE TIME AND PUBLISH THE GAMES HERE, I WILL BE USING DEEP FRITZ6
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Interesting challenge.  You may want to think about mandating someway to
>>>>>>ensure you are playing the person and not a computer or computer assisted
>>>>>>person.  The time control is important, at fast time controls, I can easily
>>>>>>ambush a program in a short match, I suggest 40/2.  Finally, I suggest you
>>>>>>require proof of a rating.  A "current" rating is needed, many people sandbag
>>>>>>their ratings (USCF has discussed this at length).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am sure I have missed a lot, so be careful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris Carson
>>>>>
>>>>> Aginst deepfritz preparation is irrelevant unless your atleast 2500, but i am
>>>>>speaking to these experts who are saying they can beat the computers 30 percent,
>>>>>i think the grandmasters have more sense then this, having played hundreds of
>>>>>games like kaspy and kramnick, note kaspy knows what they can do, as well as
>>>>>kramnik, kaspy dodged the frankfurt tourney, showing computers respect, whereas
>>>>>in the past he took on all comers, kramnnik needs three months to prepare, and
>>>>>this is all for according to hyatt international master level computers, how
>>>>>stupid can a person be, not to see how rediculous this is??????
>>>>>A PHD is this dumb. the problem with so-called brilliant people is that they
>>>>>lack common sense.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Do you realize Hyatt has spent a large portion of his life in computer chess,
>>>>and is probably a good authority on these matters (better, even, than you)? I
>>>>believe he said around 2400 elo anyway, that is very strong, and not far at all
>>>>from GM.  I think a 2400 elo player has good chances against GMs, especially if
>>>>they do not do anything to neutralize his great tactical ability.  One problem
>>>>with computers is that just about any GM can beat them if they take the time to
>>>>study anti-computer techniques.
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes i realize he is a computer scientist, but he is not God, and contrary to
>>>alot of people here, i beg to disagree with him, at hest he is a MEDIOCRY
>>>PROGRAMMER.  Crafty has never been number one in anything. Cray Blitz has never
>>>won a world computer championship. NONE
>>
>>
>> Sorry i accidently hit the submit key before i was finsihed, anyone back to
>>hyatt, what has he accomplished in computer chess, other than making a program
>>freely availabe to the public, and answering questions on RGCC, yet you would
>>think by the responses of people here that he was the world's best programmer,
>>he is just a little man with a huge ego. IF you want to mention some good
>>programmers than mention hzu and richard lang, ed shoeder, christopher theron,
>>amir ban, these guys have won something, yet they are too modest to stand out
>>like hyatt who has done nothing. OH i forgot the programmer of shredder.
>
>Sometimes i really have to laugh and now is as good a time as ever HA HA HA,
>what is wrong with you? Hyatt is a brilliant programmer who makes a program that
>has enjoyed tremendous succes over the years and he has EARNED the respect of
>many people here, i knew of his name before any of the commercial programmers,
>no offence just stating a fact, i admit i do not know Hyatt personally, but when
>i have asked him a question he has always taken the time to reply, EVERY time
>and he has always been polite and polite being the key word here you might learn
>a lesson or two from your behaviour here.
>Maby you should go to chessclub.com and write "fi scrappy" and you will see
>something remarkable, don't take my word for it "just mooh it" :-)
>scrappy is infact crafty (latest ver.) setup to play human players GM's and IM's
>included and as far as i know scrappy is the highest rated program against
>human's!!
>
>Regards
>Jonas


So when did "being polite", and "taking the time to answer questions" amount to
being a good programmer who should be listened to?????:, in your response you
just gave me the key to understanding why someone who has accomplished so little
in computer chess has gotten so much respect.I AM SPEAKING COMPARATIVELY
OFCOURSE.



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