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Subject: Re: A open challenge to those that think computers are only 2100-22000

Author: Jonas Cohonas

Date: 15:56:50 06/05/01

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On June 05, 2001 at 18:14:16, william penn wrote:

>On June 05, 2001 at 18:05:43, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>
>>On June 05, 2001 at 17:49:38, william penn wrote:
>>
>>>On June 05, 2001 at 17:41:53, william penn wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 05, 2001 at 17:36:48, John Dahlem wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 05, 2001 at 17:28:29, william penn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On June 05, 2001 at 16:08:39, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On June 05, 2001 at 15:45:19, william penn wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have an account on icc running on a athlon 1000, i will play a six game match
>>>>>>>>against any who wants to get quirrely, i am telling you to 'jump".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TO THE GUY THAT CREATED THE CM SETTING, I AM CALLING YOU OUT, I WANT YOU TO
>>>>>>>>SHOW US PUBLICLY THE 30 % YOU BOAST ABOUT. JUST SENT ME AN EMAIL AND WE CAN SET
>>>>>>>>UP THE TIME AND PUBLISH THE GAMES HERE, I WILL BE USING DEEP FRITZ6
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Interesting challenge.  You may want to think about mandating someway to
>>>>>>>ensure you are playing the person and not a computer or computer assisted
>>>>>>>person.  The time control is important, at fast time controls, I can easily
>>>>>>>ambush a program in a short match, I suggest 40/2.  Finally, I suggest you
>>>>>>>require proof of a rating.  A "current" rating is needed, many people sandbag
>>>>>>>their ratings (USCF has discussed this at length).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am sure I have missed a lot, so be careful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chris Carson
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aginst deepfritz preparation is irrelevant unless your atleast 2500, but i am
>>>>>>speaking to these experts who are saying they can beat the computers 30 percent,
>>>>>>i think the grandmasters have more sense then this, having played hundreds of
>>>>>>games like kaspy and kramnick, note kaspy knows what they can do, as well as
>>>>>>kramnik, kaspy dodged the frankfurt tourney, showing computers respect, whereas
>>>>>>in the past he took on all comers, kramnnik needs three months to prepare, and
>>>>>>this is all for according to hyatt international master level computers, how
>>>>>>stupid can a person be, not to see how rediculous this is??????
>>>>>>A PHD is this dumb. the problem with so-called brilliant people is that they
>>>>>>lack common sense.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you realize Hyatt has spent a large portion of his life in computer chess,
>>>>>and is probably a good authority on these matters (better, even, than you)? I
>>>>>believe he said around 2400 elo anyway, that is very strong, and not far at all
>>>>>from GM.  I think a 2400 elo player has good chances against GMs, especially if
>>>>>they do not do anything to neutralize his great tactical ability.  One problem
>>>>>with computers is that just about any GM can beat them if they take the time to
>>>>>study anti-computer techniques.
>>>>>
>>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes i realize he is a computer scientist, but he is not God, and contrary to
>>>>alot of people here, i beg to disagree with him, at hest he is a MEDIOCRY
>>>>PROGRAMMER.  Crafty has never been number one in anything. Cray Blitz has never
>>>>won a world computer championship. NONE
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry i accidently hit the submit key before i was finsihed, anyone back to
>>>hyatt, what has he accomplished in computer chess, other than making a program
>>>freely availabe to the public, and answering questions on RGCC, yet you would
>>>think by the responses of people here that he was the world's best programmer,
>>>he is just a little man with a huge ego. IF you want to mention some good
>>>programmers than mention hzu and richard lang, ed shoeder, christopher theron,
>>>amir ban, these guys have won something, yet they are too modest to stand out
>>>like hyatt who has done nothing. OH i forgot the programmer of shredder.
>>
>>Sometimes i really have to laugh and now is as good a time as ever HA HA HA,
>>what is wrong with you? Hyatt is a brilliant programmer who makes a program that
>>has enjoyed tremendous succes over the years and he has EARNED the respect of
>>many people here, i knew of his name before any of the commercial programmers,
>>no offence just stating a fact, i admit i do not know Hyatt personally, but when
>>i have asked him a question he has always taken the time to reply, EVERY time
>>and he has always been polite and polite being the key word here you might learn
>>a lesson or two from your behaviour here.
>>Maby you should go to chessclub.com and write "fi scrappy" and you will see
>>something remarkable, don't take my word for it "just mooh it" :-)
>>scrappy is infact crafty (latest ver.) setup to play human players GM's and IM's
>>included and as far as i know scrappy is the highest rated program against
>>human's!!
>>
>>Regards
>>Jonas
>
>
>So when did "being polite", and "taking the time to answer questions" amount to
>being a good programmer who should be listened to?????:, in your response you
>just gave me the key to understanding why someone who has accomplished so little
>in computer chess has gotten so much respect.I AM SPEAKING COMPARATIVELY
>OFCOURSE.

Well good for you ;-) let's see how far you get with that attitude.
hasta la nunca tio.

Regards
Jonas



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