Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 04:49:04 06/06/01
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On June 06, 2001 at 06:58:28, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >...is that Fritz played the Dutch open just last year, on a quad, >and it didn't win, it didn't even got second. It got _third_, and >this while several players forfeited vs it in protest. Also a GM played against it as if it was a child. GM v/d Doel played an opening he has never played before in his life and of course he lost that against fritz in 13 moves or so. The rest of the moves made in the game are only to show the audience that v/d doel was lost. >We're only one year of development further now, and the hardware >will be twice as fast, *no more*. Not even a ply more for Fritzie. Ugh ugh. I've got good reasons to assume that fritzie against kramnik will search less deeply as it searched in dutch open. Less pruning perhaps, perhaps a parameter more in eval already lets it search plies less of course. Tactical it's not bad anyway, whether it gets 15 ply or 16 ply, that's no big deal. More interesting is to extend passers for Frans and things like that, because human is superior in evaluating them without a search, where computers need that search to verify how they run (if you can verify it anyway). >The Dutch are pretty ok as far as chess is concerned, but it's >not like they have any players that are remotely as strong as >Kramnik. Van Wely 2700 But a chance vs kramnik he doesn't have of course. No one has. >It was not in the top 2 of Dutch players, and now it is supposed >to stand a chance vs. the World Champion? Uhh, well maybe if he >gets sick or crazy or something. >ChessBase likes people to forget this, but the truth is that their >2700+ SSDF ELO player can't even stand up to 2550 human ELO opposition. >Witness the 'genius' at action for yourself: >Van Wely - Fritz, 7th round NK 2000 >1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 Nc6 4.Nc3 Bb4 5.a3 Bxc3 6.bxc3 O-O 7.e4 Van Wely never plays 1.c4. In all games i saw him play i never saw him play 1.c4. Against me he always opened 1.d4 and won all games with that against me (of course). So if van wely beats a computer here with 1.c4 remember this: he doesn't even play close to 2700 with 1.c4. More like 2500 worth as a player with that opening! Fritz didn't lose from a 2700 there. But from a 2500 at most. Kramnik will probably play his normal openings against a computer. So that's a 2850 playing at its own level. >Frans Morsch: 'its over now' >7...a6 8.a4 d6 9.d3 Bg4 10.f3 Bd7 11.Ne2 Qc8 12.h3 b6 13.f4 Be6 14.f5 Bd7 15.g4 >Ne8 16.Ng3 Qd8 17.g5 Bc8 18.h4 f6 19.Qh5 Na5 20.Ra3 Qe7 21.Nf1 Nc6 22.Ne3 Qd7 >23.g6 h6 24.Ng4 Ra7 25.Rg1 1 - 0 > [D]2b1nrk1/r1pq2p1/ppnp1pPp/4pP1Q/P1P1P1NP/R1PP4/6B1/2B1K1R1 b - - 0 25 > >-- >GCP
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