Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 09:06:46 06/06/01
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On June 06, 2001 at 09:24:29, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>I should also have added: If _everybody_ on here was that selfish and >>disinterested in helping others, do you think you would have been running on >>a quad xeon 700 for your last tournament? Think about it. This is a two-way >>street. If you want help, you should be willing to offer help as well... > >I think i have posted more ideas and thoughts as any commercial programmer >here. Also indicating where things are wrong is important, as chess is a >worst case game. > >I do not have much secrets in my search. I hardly keep results for myself. > >If i think an algorithm works for me, i post it. If i think it doesn't, >i post it too. > >This in complete contradiction with commercial programmers who checkout >everything here but post nothing. Say nothing. Do as if they're dumb. I don't disagree with that. But the "I won't tell as otherwise everyone will be 2x faster" is a somewhat poor statement to make here. > >Even spreading misinformation sometimes in tournaments, though sometimes >not meant as such. > >For example in I-CSVN i won't quote the names of the persons. >Some commercial programmer J de K shouts after some talks: "the only interesting >thing >is the number of nodes you see, not how much you prune, how you >search or whatever algorithm or extension you use". >He meant it as a joke i guess. Some amateurs >in that room remembered it though. Later one >of them talks to me about it. > >Now i directly pointed him to the fact that this wasn't serious meant, >but it was TAKEN serious by this kid. > >He's posting daily here. > >He's able to litterary quote J de K on this and do as if it's the >truth. > >So the only thing which isn't said isn't even meant serious. How many >postings do you see here from J de K about how he has done his cool >extensions, about how he is doing his mobility, what king safety terms >he considers important? > >ZERO. Again, I have said this about the commercial guys _many_ times. They take ideas. They even take code. They give nothing back. There is nothing we can do about it. So I don't waste a lot of time worrying about what I can't change. You seem to be saying "I am revealing more than them, so that makes what I say OK." I am saying "you reveal less than a lot of us here reveal, so that doesn't make it as OK as you think to make that kind of statement." I used to have that kind of problem with my kids from time to time. "But dad, XXX does something even worse all the time..." I responded "But YYY does something better all the time... Which would you rather be closer to?" > >On the other hand i shout something about that i win every 10th game >(this was in 1998 or something) game at the auto232 player because of >pawn majority with DIEP. > >2 years later everyone mentions 'pawnmajority' as one of the features >of his evaluation. > >So i am very happy with the system time i get from you on your quad, >let's be clear here! > >But some publish more as others. You happen to be one of the persons >who publishes *everything*. Now that's good. But it won't bring you money. > >It will bring you fame & glory though. I doubt it will bring me money, fame or glory over the long-run. And I really don't care. I publish my stuff, because lots of people helped _me_ in the 1970's (with programming ideas) and in the 1980's (with fast hardware). It seems (to me) reasonable to do the same myself. > >The number of programs using bitboards since crafty was started is >amazing. Before that i can't remember how many. > >So it's hard to deny people FOLLOW your thoughts and improvements >step by step. > >Best regards, >Vincent
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