Author: Chessfun
Date: 16:12:23 06/06/01
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On June 06, 2001 at 03:12:55, Bruce Moreland wrote: >On June 05, 2001 at 18:24:37, william penn wrote: > >>On June 05, 2001 at 18:00:30, Chris Carson wrote: >> >>>On June 05, 2001 at 17:49:38, william penn wrote: >>> >>>>On June 05, 2001 at 17:41:53, william penn wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 05, 2001 at 17:36:48, John Dahlem wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 05, 2001 at 17:28:29, william penn wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On June 05, 2001 at 16:08:39, Chris Carson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On June 05, 2001 at 15:45:19, william penn wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have an account on icc running on a athlon 1000, i will play a six game match >>>>>>>>>against any who wants to get quirrely, i am telling you to 'jump". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> TO THE GUY THAT CREATED THE CM SETTING, I AM CALLING YOU OUT, I WANT YOU TO >>>>>>>>>SHOW US PUBLICLY THE 30 % YOU BOAST ABOUT. JUST SENT ME AN EMAIL AND WE CAN SET >>>>>>>>>UP THE TIME AND PUBLISH THE GAMES HERE, I WILL BE USING DEEP FRITZ6 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Interesting challenge. You may want to think about mandating someway to >>>>>>>>ensure you are playing the person and not a computer or computer assisted >>>>>>>>person. The time control is important, at fast time controls, I can easily >>>>>>>>ambush a program in a short match, I suggest 40/2. Finally, I suggest you >>>>>>>>require proof of a rating. A "current" rating is needed, many people sandbag >>>>>>>>their ratings (USCF has discussed this at length). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I am sure I have missed a lot, so be careful. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Best Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Chris Carson >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Aginst deepfritz preparation is irrelevant unless your atleast 2500, but i am >>>>>>>speaking to these experts who are saying they can beat the computers 30 percent, >>>>>>>i think the grandmasters have more sense then this, having played hundreds of >>>>>>>games like kaspy and kramnick, note kaspy knows what they can do, as well as >>>>>>>kramnik, kaspy dodged the frankfurt tourney, showing computers respect, whereas >>>>>>>in the past he took on all comers, kramnnik needs three months to prepare, and >>>>>>>this is all for according to hyatt international master level computers, how >>>>>>>stupid can a person be, not to see how rediculous this is?????? >>>>>>>A PHD is this dumb. the problem with so-called brilliant people is that they >>>>>>>lack common sense. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Do you realize Hyatt has spent a large portion of his life in computer chess, >>>>>>and is probably a good authority on these matters (better, even, than you)? I >>>>>>believe he said around 2400 elo anyway, that is very strong, and not far at all >>>>>>from GM. I think a 2400 elo player has good chances against GMs, especially if >>>>>>they do not do anything to neutralize his great tactical ability. One problem >>>>>>with computers is that just about any GM can beat them if they take the time to >>>>>>study anti-computer techniques. >>>>>> >>>>>>John >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Yes i realize he is a computer scientist, but he is not God, and contrary to >>>>>alot of people here, i beg to disagree with him, at hest he is a MEDIOCRY >>>>>PROGRAMMER. Crafty has never been number one in anything. Cray Blitz has never >>>>>won a world computer championship. NONE >>>> >>>> >>>> Sorry i accidently hit the submit key before i was finsihed, anyone back to >>>>hyatt, what has he accomplished in computer chess, other than making a program >>>>freely availabe to the public, and answering questions on RGCC, yet you would >>>>think by the responses of people here that he was the world's best programmer, >>>>he is just a little man with a huge ego. IF you want to mention some good >>>>programmers than mention hzu and richard lang, ed shoeder, christopher theron, >>>>amir ban, these guys have won something, yet they are too modest to stand out >>>>like hyatt who has done nothing. OH i forgot the programmer of shredder. >>> >>>Crafty has won some tournament, Shep has published tournament wins >>>and rating lists such as SSDF and Frank's page show crafty to be strong >>>against other programs. Crafty also won an event against humans (college >>>team) some years back, but I could never get the PGN's. It was reported in >>>Chess Life. Believe me, I would love to add these games to my list, I think >>>Crafty may have scored over 2500 against rated players on a PPro200. Anyone >>>have these or can you quote the actual results against average rating? >>> >>>Cray Blitz won the World Computer Chess Championship in 1983 and 1986. >>> >>>Dr. Hyatt has published many articles on chess programming. >>> >>>I may disagree with Dr. Hyatt from time to time, but I also have to >>>admire his accomplishments. :) >>> >>>Best Regards, >>>Chris Carson >> >> >>i DON'T think it has anything to do with accomplishment's, i think what sums it >>up is the old chinese proverb says whoever speaks the loudest, is the one most >>often heard. HYATT > >It's possible to take issue with a lot of what he says. I've been in arguments >where I think he's wrong, and that's pretty tough. > >On the other hand, his contributions are very significant. His articles in the >ICCAJ are excellent. Some of the old stuff regarding Cray Blitz was extremely >helpful to me when I was starting my own program. This is to say nothing of his >work here, on ICC, via email, etc. > >I understand why some people (not necessarily you) have trouble with Bob, but he >needs to be given his due. He's the most generous person around here. He is a >very prolific helper, and people like that accumulate friends. > >bruce As usual very well put. Sarah.
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