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Subject: Re: Computer's are Grandmasters....Until next loss

Author: odell hall

Date: 23:14:50 06/09/01

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On June 09, 2001 at 23:56:07, Slater Wold wrote:

>No.  I don't think so.  It was only 2 games, and not even tournament length
>games at that.
>
>When I saw how easily Petr defeated Deep Shredder, I was amazed.  He was
>kibitz'ing most of the game.  Like he didn't even have to concentrate.
>
>Remember, he said that Deep Shredder performance was approx. 2100-2200 FIDE in
>the game against him?  (Which it played 100x worse against him, I agree.)  Guess
>what Petr said about these games?
>
>Thoughts on ending of game 1:
>
>Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: it's very difficult for human to play positions with
>compensations for a pawn
>
>Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: may be just white has no sufficient compensation :)
>Project played like Machine :))
>
>Game 2:
>
>Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: 4...Bxc3?
>
>Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: I beat Jrlok never play Bxc3 vs human GM :)
>
>Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: please think about it :)
>
>Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: comp played opening like patzer again
>
>And about the series:
>
>Petrovich(GM) tells you: hmm, comp played like 2200 in the closed position and
>like 2600 in open :) It's hard to evaluate his strength
>
>Petrovich(GM) tells you: so, 2200+2600 / 2 = 2400 :) lol
>
>
>
>Petr and I just went over quickly the games.  These are not annotated or
>anything, just general conversation on the games.
>
>Also, please be aware that when I played Petr, I did _NOT_ prepare at all.  I
>asked him for a game, and we played.  Having been singled out by JRLOK, I
>prepared an better book.  This time when I played JRLOK, there was no in & out
>of book problems.
>
>Shredder played a much better game this time around, than last.  However, I am
>not ready to say that Shredder is GM strength.  Like Robert said, to be 2600 you
>have to play like a 2600 every game.  Not 2100 here and 2700 here.  2600 ALL THE
>TIME.
>
>I am planning more and more GM vs Shredder games.  Perhaps at the end of this
>year, we can make a FAIR guess at Deep Shredder's ELO.
>
>
>Slate


 Well if what he said is true, a 2100-22000 just beat roman , one of the
strongest grandmasters in computer chess around, and that is impressive.



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