Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 12:07:17 06/10/01
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On June 09, 2001 at 05:44:31, Rajen Gupta wrote:
>On June 09, 2001 at 02:38:54, Harald Faber wrote:
>
>>On June 08, 2001 at 18:04:52, Rajen Gupta wrote:
>>
>>>On June 08, 2001 at 10:44:29, Harald Faber wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 07, 2001 at 11:35:16, Rajen Gupta wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 07, 2001 at 09:53:24, Harald Faber wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Clear win for Tiger, no chance for the oldie. 7.5-2.5 in favour of Tiger. Even
>>>>>>booklines up to 30 moves (10th game) didn't help...games, as always, at
>>>>>>www.geocities.comHarald1312/HaraldFaberE.html.
>>>>>
>>>>>hi hrald: how are you coducting this match-on 2 computers/ and what opening
>>>>>books are you usinig?
>>>>
>>>>I am using the according opening books, that means the normal ct.tbk for Tiger
>>>>14 and the tournament book is activated in MChessPro 8.
>>>>
>>>>>i am running a match on a single celeron 900, eng vs eng, 64 mb hash tables
>>>>>each; 90min/60 moves; both programmes using an individual copy of the chessbase
>>>>>tiger book. currently chessbasetiger14 vs junior5 w=10; l=7 d=10. at 20 games
>>>>>both were running equal with w=6, l=6 d=8. i'm not sure if the latest progs are
>>>>>that much stronger if the oldies can play of the same opening books.
>>>>>
>>>>>rajen
>>>>
>>>>Don't forget that many opening books are adjusted to the engine, so testing with
>>>>only one book to which all programs have access just lets you test this book. If
>>>>you want to check a program, you have to use the given opening book. That is why
>>>>I am not very lucky about the fact that the Chessbase Tiger does not have the
>>>>Noomen-opening book. I am sure that Tiger is strong enough to play well with
>>>>this opening book too, but I am not sure if the results would be better with the
>>>>Noomen-book.
>>>
>>>i'm using the tiger book for both programmes and the engines are running in the
>>>tiger interface. (so no excuses for the tiger)assuming that the chessbase tiger
>>>book is not optimised for tiger(which i doubt very much-in my opinion the
>>>chessbase book is at least as good as the noomen book,if not better)it certainly
>>>is not optimised for junior 5. i initially thought of using the junior5 book for
>>>both programmes but then there would be the excuse that tiger is using an
>>>un-optimised book. the fact that as of today the score is tiger w=14;l=11; d=15
>>>shows that there is very little to separate tired old junior5 from the so called
>>>'monster" chesstiger.
>>> i am a firm believer in the theory that 99% of the so-called improvement in
>>>newer programmes comes from the opening book and that basically any good opening
>>>book consisting of high level gm games will equally suit all programmes
>>>
>>>rajen
>>
>>Maybe Junior profits from the good Tiger book? :-)
>>
>>Uri already wrote it, you forget another point: You are playing on one machine.
>>That is different from what I am doing.
>>And it is not clear that in a long run the difference becomes much more evident
>>than after 10 or 20 games.
>
>hi:the point about the books is exactly what i'm trying to make-all programmes
>benefit equally from a high quality, wide and deep opening book-which is exactly
>what the tiger book is.i am playing on 1 computer but it is in the chessbase gui
>which means that none of the engines lose cpu time relative to each other.i have
>checked this by comparing the individual tiger and junior marks wehen the match
>is going on and the relative nodes per second remain in proportion to
>their"tiger and juniormarks". sure ideally there should be 2 computers with
>ponder on but junior will benefit equally from such a move and i'm sure that
>there will be no difference in the eventual result.
>
>rajen
I have absolutely no problem with matches played under these conditions (played
on one computer, ponder=off on both engines).
I think the result will not be different than ponder=on on 2 computers.
Christophe
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