Author: Mark Young
Date: 05:36:04 06/11/01
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On June 10, 2001 at 01:24:56, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On June 09, 2001 at 22:03:39, Mark Young wrote: > >>. > > >Sorry but that is a bit too sarcastic for my tastes. I don't believe _anybody_ >has said computers are not "GM-level" at fast time controls. These two games >were 30 0. We had a 30 0 event on chess.net two years ago with 4 computers >and 4 human GM players. The 4 computers finished in the first 4 places. > >This is old news. > >40 moves in 2 hrs is something different. Why? Crafty may not be a 2500+ elo program, but there is a program called Deep Junior (You may have heard of it) that has played the best players in the world at 40 moves in 2 hrs at Dortmund and walk way with a rating of 2700+. Please explain why this result and others 2500+ results by other programs don't count. 1. Junior was lucky? 2. Did Mr. Ban payoff some of the GM's to lose to the Deep Junior? 3. Other programs could not have achive such results so we can ignore this result? 4. Computer programs still have weaknesses, and as we know human Grandmaster don't, as a result computers can not be considered Grandmasters in strength regardless on any results? 5. Grandmasters have very fragile egos, and it is in some of our interest to placate the Grandmaster community to have continued access? 6. Total results don't count as long as computers are still beatable and we can show losses to prove this point?
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