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Subject: Re: Computer's are Grandmasters....Until next loss

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:16:23 06/12/01

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On June 12, 2001 at 09:18:00, Mark Young wrote:

>
>Bob, GM opinion does not even factor into weather someone is a GM or not. They
>do not poll GM's and ask If X is a GM. What matters is Wins, Losses, and Draws,
>and who the Wins, Losses, and Draws were against, Example you must score well in
>tournaments that meet the norms, and for tournament to meet the norm they must
>have GM's playing in them. You do not need to be a Grandmaster to understand
>this.
>
>Grandmasters are not determined by opinion but Results!



Yes.  But take the following examples:

1.  a "GM baseball pitcher"...  definition:  consistently (over N where N is
pretty small number of games) strikes out 13 batters per game pitched.  You
find a "prodigy" that can _only_ throw a 102 MPH slider.  Nobody is going to
hit him at first, as a slider that fast would be impossible for anyone to deal
with.  He strikes out 20 batters per game for his first 10 games.  You then
declare him a "GM pitcher".  But the real "experts" think "Wait a minute,
a 102mph slider is _all_ he can throw...  what happens when batters catch on
to hitting that pitch?"  And they _know_ he won't be a GM pitcher for long.

2.  A "GM tennis player"...  definition:  wins N% of the matches he plays over
a fairly small number of matches played.  This guy develops a _terrific_ topspin
forehand that is giving everyone problems.  And he wins match after match.  But
the "experts" think "Hey, all he can hit is a topspin forehand shot.  What
happens when the opponents learn to return that to his backhand?"

Etc.

That is where computer chess is today.  We bring a program that sees very
accurately in many tactical cases.  And the tactics are overwhelming the GM
players at the moment.  But again, the "experts" see "Hey, what happens when
the GMs start avoiding the tactics?  The computer doesn't understand closed
positions, some pawn endings, good vs bad bishops, weak square complexes, pawn
lever opportunities/necessities, king safety, ....  How will they survive once
the tactics are taken away or dealt with?"

So yes, a computer might produce some cute results.  In 1981 I had my program
go thru a state closed championship and blow everyone out, including the
first real win over a USCF-rated master in tournament play.  But I _knew_ that
it had some _serious_ flaws.  It just found itself in tactical positions where
the humans had little chance of coping.  Yet we _almost_ lost to a 1700 player
in the first round, because he _knew_ how to play computers.  He was winning
handily and made one horrendous move that let the roof fall in.  (this
tournament win by a computer made the Chess Life magazine that year as it was
the first such win _ever_ by a computer.   It was also the last as the humans
started paying attention...)


It happened back then.  It is happening today.  But until the majority of the
holes are filled, a day of reckoning will happen...



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