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Subject: Re: SSDF Rating list

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 03:15:02 06/13/01

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On June 13, 2001 at 05:57:11, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On June 13, 2001 at 05:35:30, stuart taylor wrote:
>
>>On June 13, 2001 at 05:05:45, Marcus Kaestner wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>It is the most reliable tool that we have to evaluate the chess programs. The
>>>>difference in the opponents each program has to face does not matter from a
>>>>mathematical point of view.
>>>
>>>i think you are wrong!
>>>
>>>having now over two years of experience with my own chessbits-lists, i can say
>>>to you that it is VERY easy to place a program with a HIGHLY overrated (or
>>>underrated) position into the list.
>>>
>>>there are dozens of possibilities to fake a rating.
>>>
>>>i do not say that the ssdf fakes, i only say that it DOES matter which opponents
>>>you choose.
>>>
>>>marcus
>>
>>Of course it does!
>>If you play a 1200 elo rated player you can be sure to win 100% of times, and
>>you play 100,000 games, you will have got a rating of 3000 long long before
>>then.
>
>
>
>No you are definitely wrong.
>
>Due to the elo calculation formulas, a program which wins 100% of its games
>against a 1200 elo opponent will have a rating of exactly 1600.
>
>Far from 3000, isn't it?
>
>Food for thoughts.

It is truth by the linear formula but not by the right formula.
The linear formula is only approximation to the right formula

Here is a better formuala:

If you score an average of P points in every game then your rating is
400logP/(1-P) more than your opponent when you use log by basis 10.

It means that difference of 400 means that you beat your opponent 10-1
800 elo difference means that you beat your opponent 100-1
1200 elo difference means that you beat your opponent 1000-1

You do not get never 100% by this formula unless your rating is infinite.

Uri



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