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Subject: Re: Tiger, Goliath and Crafty in tactical comparison

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 09:31:56 06/13/01

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On June 13, 2001 at 10:50:30, José Carlos wrote:

>On June 13, 2001 at 09:45:09, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On June 13, 2001 at 06:14:37, José Carlos wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  The interesting thing of the graph is the shape of the curves. Although the
>>>x-axis scale is not constant (which makes the "Crafty gets more positions almost
>>>linear" statement not correct) the shape of the curves show different strength
>>>increase with time for the three programs.
>>>  Of course, you can argue that this is just a test, and doesn't prove anything
>>>itself. And I agree with that. But it will mean something _if_ further tests
>>>give similar results.
>>>
>>>  José C.
>>
>>
>>Note that linear does not mean "perfect".  IE if you search twice as long
>>and every time you double the time, you double the number you get right,
>>that is linear.  But if you double the search time and you get 1.2 times
>>more correct answers, _that_ is also linear.  Linear is a straight line. It
>>doesn't have to have a slope of 45 degrees..
>
>  I know what linear means, Bob. If you look at the bottom line of the graph:
>
>
>   ----------------------------------------------------------------
>            5s        20s       1m        3m        10m
>
>  you can see that the difference (in time) between equidistant (is this word
>correct in english?) points is not constant:
>  20-5    =  15 sec
>  60-20   =  40 sec
>  180-60  = 120 sec
>  600-180 = 420 sec
>
>  So, I see here a logarithmic growing. Am I wrong?
>
>  José C.


Nope... not wrong at all.  but I haven't tried to plot the data either so I
don't know if the curve is a straight line or an exponential that is flattening
out as time goes up.  My point was that the linear relationship most people talk
about is a line with a slope of 45 degrees.  2x faster == 2x more correct
answers, for example.  2x faster -> 1.1X more answers is also a perfectly
straight line...



>
>>IE in the "Crafty goes deep" experiment done by Monty Newborn, the number was
>>something like 15% better for each additional ply of depth.  That is still a
>>linear curve.



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