Author: Mark Young
Date: 19:12:59 06/13/01
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On June 13, 2001 at 21:46:05, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On June 13, 2001 at 14:54:52, Mark Young wrote: > >> >>What the hell are you talking about... I never said that. When Did I ever say >>ratings were """"""""ABSOLUTE""""""""""". I said you can calculate ratings for >>past players....and Ratings is the only measure we use in chess. I NEVER said >>RATINGS are ABSOLUTE.... Ratings are calculated for that pool of players, If you >>think the rankings are incorrect you better take a look at the past list because >>you will find what history tell us were the strongest players of the day are >>also RANKED #1 on the repective lists. The Rating numbers themselve don't mean >>anything 2700,2800,2900 etc. What matters is the point spread from one player to >>the next. Don't put words in my mouth and then tell me I don' >>t understand. >> >> > > > >Then why did you publish the "approximated Elo list" below? That implies >that you can take ratings from today, compute ratings for players active 20 >years ago, then take those ratings, and back up another 20 years, and repeat >the above, until you go back far enough to compute one of these whacko ratings >for the player that is under discussion. Your Wrong I did not implie that at all and you know it. If you look on what I posted it has a header "About these ratings" It tell how the ratings were made and what they mean at the site I posted....Did you take the time to look.........NO! That is your fault not mine that you are lazy if your arguement is you just don't understand what was posted. Typical Bob Hyatt tactics....:) Make up something I did not say and try to use it against me. :) > >Publishing a rating list that spans 200 years implies the ratings are >absolute. Otherwise the numbers are meaningless. Which they actually are. > >If I misunderstand what you provided below, then accept my apology for >interpreting it incorrectly... > > >>>>Below are the ratings of the top players in 1930 as an example. >>>> >>>>Chessmetrics Ratings: January 1st, 1930 >>>>About these ratings >>>> >>>>Rank >>>> Player Rating Age >>>>1 Alekhine, Alexander 2749 37 >>>>2 Lasker, Emanuel 2732 61 >>>>3 Capablanca, Jose 2700 41 >>>>4 Vidmar, Milan (Sr.) 2673 44 >>>>5 Nimzowitsch, Aaron 2669 43 >>>>6 Bogoljubow, Efim 2646 30 >>>>7 Spielmann, Rudolf 2621 46 >>>>8 Rubinstein, Akiba 2620 47 >>>>9 Torre, Carlos 2603 24 >>>>10 Euwe, Max 2601 28 >>>>11 Tartakower, Saviely 2589 42 >>>>12 Maroczy, Geza 2588 59 >>>>13 Gruenfeld, Ernst 2578 36 >>>>14 Levenfish, Grigory 2565 40 >>>>15 Marshall, Frank 2557 52 >>>>16 Becker, Albert 2554 33 >>>>17 Verlinsky, Boris 2550 41 >>>>18 Kostic, Boris 2548 42 >>>>19 Romanovsky, Peter 2544 37 >>>>20 Mattison, Hermanis 2541 35 >>>>21 Johner, Paul 2533 42 >>>>22 Rabinovich, Ilya 2533 38 >>>>23 Treybal, Karel 2524 44 >>>>24 Ahues, Carl 2523 46 >>>>25 Bohatirchuk, Fedor 2523 37 >>>>26 Saemisch, Friedrich 2523 33 >>>>27 Steiner, Lajos 2520 26 >>>>28 Asztalos, Lajos 2510 40 >>>>29 Vajda, Arpad 2508 33 >>>>30 Canal, Esteban 2507 33 >>>>31 Monticelli, Mario 2503 27 >>>>32 Przepiorka, David 2500 49 >>>>33 Takacs, Sandor 2494 36 >>>>34 Colle, Edgar 2491 32 >>>>35 Gilg, Karl 2484 28 >>>>36 Yates, Frederick 2483 45 >>>>37 Kmoch, Hans 2480 35 >>>>38 Opocensky, Karel 2476 37 >>>>39 Brinckmann, Alfred 2476 38 >>>>40 Von Holzhausen, Walter 2448 53 >>>>41 Thomas, George A. 2445 48 >>>>42 Michell, Reginald 2431 >>>>43 Vukovic, Vladimir 2426 31 >>>>44 Havasi, Kornel 2410 37 >>>>45 Rosselli, Stefano 2384 52 >>>>46 Menchik, Vera 2358 23 >>>>47 Prokes, Ladislav 2328 45
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