Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:59:30 06/13/01
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On June 13, 2001 at 22:12:59, Mark Young wrote: >On June 13, 2001 at 21:46:05, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On June 13, 2001 at 14:54:52, Mark Young wrote: >> >>> >>>What the hell are you talking about... I never said that. When Did I ever say >>>ratings were """"""""ABSOLUTE""""""""""". I said you can calculate ratings for >>>past players....and Ratings is the only measure we use in chess. I NEVER said >>>RATINGS are ABSOLUTE.... Ratings are calculated for that pool of players, If you >>>think the rankings are incorrect you better take a look at the past list because >>>you will find what history tell us were the strongest players of the day are >>>also RANKED #1 on the repective lists. The Rating numbers themselve don't mean >>>anything 2700,2800,2900 etc. What matters is the point spread from one player to >>>the next. Don't put words in my mouth and then tell me I don' >>>t understand. >>> >>> >> >> >> >>Then why did you publish the "approximated Elo list" below? That implies >>that you can take ratings from today, compute ratings for players active 20 >>years ago, then take those ratings, and back up another 20 years, and repeat >>the above, until you go back far enough to compute one of these whacko ratings >>for the player that is under discussion. > >Your Wrong I did not implie that at all and you know it. If you look on what I >posted it has a header "About these ratings" It tell how the ratings were made >and what they mean at the site I posted....Did you take the time to >look.........NO! That is your fault not mine that you are lazy if your arguement >is you just don't understand what was posted. Typical Bob Hyatt tactics....:) >Make up something I did not say and try to use it against me. :) I tried to be polite. That seems beyond your capability however, so, to keep it succinct: buzz off... > > > >> >>Publishing a rating list that spans 200 years implies the ratings are >>absolute. Otherwise the numbers are meaningless. Which they actually are. >> >>If I misunderstand what you provided below, then accept my apology for >>interpreting it incorrectly... >> >> >>>>>Below are the ratings of the top players in 1930 as an example. >>>>> >>>>>Chessmetrics Ratings: January 1st, 1930 >>>>>About these ratings >>>>> >>>>>Rank >>>>> Player Rating Age >>>>>1 Alekhine, Alexander 2749 37 >>>>>2 Lasker, Emanuel 2732 61 >>>>>3 Capablanca, Jose 2700 41 >>>>>4 Vidmar, Milan (Sr.) 2673 44 >>>>>5 Nimzowitsch, Aaron 2669 43 >>>>>6 Bogoljubow, Efim 2646 30 >>>>>7 Spielmann, Rudolf 2621 46 >>>>>8 Rubinstein, Akiba 2620 47 >>>>>9 Torre, Carlos 2603 24 >>>>>10 Euwe, Max 2601 28 >>>>>11 Tartakower, Saviely 2589 42 >>>>>12 Maroczy, Geza 2588 59 >>>>>13 Gruenfeld, Ernst 2578 36 >>>>>14 Levenfish, Grigory 2565 40 >>>>>15 Marshall, Frank 2557 52 >>>>>16 Becker, Albert 2554 33 >>>>>17 Verlinsky, Boris 2550 41 >>>>>18 Kostic, Boris 2548 42 >>>>>19 Romanovsky, Peter 2544 37 >>>>>20 Mattison, Hermanis 2541 35 >>>>>21 Johner, Paul 2533 42 >>>>>22 Rabinovich, Ilya 2533 38 >>>>>23 Treybal, Karel 2524 44 >>>>>24 Ahues, Carl 2523 46 >>>>>25 Bohatirchuk, Fedor 2523 37 >>>>>26 Saemisch, Friedrich 2523 33 >>>>>27 Steiner, Lajos 2520 26 >>>>>28 Asztalos, Lajos 2510 40 >>>>>29 Vajda, Arpad 2508 33 >>>>>30 Canal, Esteban 2507 33 >>>>>31 Monticelli, Mario 2503 27 >>>>>32 Przepiorka, David 2500 49 >>>>>33 Takacs, Sandor 2494 36 >>>>>34 Colle, Edgar 2491 32 >>>>>35 Gilg, Karl 2484 28 >>>>>36 Yates, Frederick 2483 45 >>>>>37 Kmoch, Hans 2480 35 >>>>>38 Opocensky, Karel 2476 37 >>>>>39 Brinckmann, Alfred 2476 38 >>>>>40 Von Holzhausen, Walter 2448 53 >>>>>41 Thomas, George A. 2445 48 >>>>>42 Michell, Reginald 2431 >>>>>43 Vukovic, Vladimir 2426 31 >>>>>44 Havasi, Kornel 2410 37 >>>>>45 Rosselli, Stefano 2384 52 >>>>>46 Menchik, Vera 2358 23 >>>>>47 Prokes, Ladislav 2328 45
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