Author: Albert Silver
Date: 06:41:03 06/14/01
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On June 14, 2001 at 08:47:23, Mark Young wrote:
>On June 13, 2001 at 22:59:30, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On June 13, 2001 at 22:12:59, Mark Young wrote:
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>>>On June 13, 2001 at 21:46:05, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 13, 2001 at 14:54:52, Mark Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>What the hell are you talking about... I never said that. When Did I ever say
>>>>>ratings were """"""""ABSOLUTE""""""""""". I said you can calculate ratings for
>>>>>past players....and Ratings is the only measure we use in chess. I NEVER said
>>>>>RATINGS are ABSOLUTE.... Ratings are calculated for that pool of players, If you
>>>>>think the rankings are incorrect you better take a look at the past list because
>>>>>you will find what history tell us were the strongest players of the day are
>>>>>also RANKED #1 on the repective lists. The Rating numbers themselve don't mean
>>>>>anything 2700,2800,2900 etc. What matters is the point spread from one player to
>>>>>the next. Don't put words in my mouth and then tell me I don'
>>>>>t understand.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>Then why did you publish the "approximated Elo list" below? That implies
>>>>that you can take ratings from today, compute ratings for players active 20
>>>>years ago, then take those ratings, and back up another 20 years, and repeat
>>>>the above, until you go back far enough to compute one of these whacko ratings
>>>>for the player that is under discussion.
>>>
>>>Your Wrong I did not implie that at all and you know it. If you look on what I
>>>posted it has a header "About these ratings" It tell how the ratings were made
>>>and what they mean at the site I posted....Did you take the time to
>>>look.........NO! That is your fault not mine that you are lazy if your arguement
>>>is you just don't understand what was posted. Typical Bob Hyatt tactics....:)
>>>Make up something I did not say and try to use it against me. :)
>>
>>I tried to be polite. That seems beyond your capability however, so, to
>>keep it succinct:
>>
>> buzz off...
>
>Why? It was your abuse....I only pointed it out and called your tactics.
I'll just say that I didn't read any of this as some kind of agenda. As far as I
could tell, Bob understood one thing and made a comment based on what he
understood. You corrected this misunderstanding and that was that. Note that he
explained what he understood and apologized if this was incorrect. Or am I
missing something?
Albert
>Nothing
>new for you. I will keep posting, you do what you wish.
>
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>>>>Publishing a rating list that spans 200 years implies the ratings are
>>>>absolute. Otherwise the numbers are meaningless. Which they actually are.
>>>>
>>>>If I misunderstand what you provided below, then accept my apology for
>>>>interpreting it incorrectly...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Below are the ratings of the top players in 1930 as an example.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chessmetrics Ratings: January 1st, 1930
>>>>>>>About these ratings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Rank
>>>>>>> Player Rating Age
>>>>>>>1 Alekhine, Alexander 2749 37
>>>>>>>2 Lasker, Emanuel 2732 61
>>>>>>>3 Capablanca, Jose 2700 41
>>>>>>>4 Vidmar, Milan (Sr.) 2673 44
>>>>>>>5 Nimzowitsch, Aaron 2669 43
>>>>>>>6 Bogoljubow, Efim 2646 30
>>>>>>>7 Spielmann, Rudolf 2621 46
>>>>>>>8 Rubinstein, Akiba 2620 47
>>>>>>>9 Torre, Carlos 2603 24
>>>>>>>10 Euwe, Max 2601 28
>>>>>>>11 Tartakower, Saviely 2589 42
>>>>>>>12 Maroczy, Geza 2588 59
>>>>>>>13 Gruenfeld, Ernst 2578 36
>>>>>>>14 Levenfish, Grigory 2565 40
>>>>>>>15 Marshall, Frank 2557 52
>>>>>>>16 Becker, Albert 2554 33
>>>>>>>17 Verlinsky, Boris 2550 41
>>>>>>>18 Kostic, Boris 2548 42
>>>>>>>19 Romanovsky, Peter 2544 37
>>>>>>>20 Mattison, Hermanis 2541 35
>>>>>>>21 Johner, Paul 2533 42
>>>>>>>22 Rabinovich, Ilya 2533 38
>>>>>>>23 Treybal, Karel 2524 44
>>>>>>>24 Ahues, Carl 2523 46
>>>>>>>25 Bohatirchuk, Fedor 2523 37
>>>>>>>26 Saemisch, Friedrich 2523 33
>>>>>>>27 Steiner, Lajos 2520 26
>>>>>>>28 Asztalos, Lajos 2510 40
>>>>>>>29 Vajda, Arpad 2508 33
>>>>>>>30 Canal, Esteban 2507 33
>>>>>>>31 Monticelli, Mario 2503 27
>>>>>>>32 Przepiorka, David 2500 49
>>>>>>>33 Takacs, Sandor 2494 36
>>>>>>>34 Colle, Edgar 2491 32
>>>>>>>35 Gilg, Karl 2484 28
>>>>>>>36 Yates, Frederick 2483 45
>>>>>>>37 Kmoch, Hans 2480 35
>>>>>>>38 Opocensky, Karel 2476 37
>>>>>>>39 Brinckmann, Alfred 2476 38
>>>>>>>40 Von Holzhausen, Walter 2448 53
>>>>>>>41 Thomas, George A. 2445 48
>>>>>>>42 Michell, Reginald 2431
>>>>>>>43 Vukovic, Vladimir 2426 31
>>>>>>>44 Havasi, Kornel 2410 37
>>>>>>>45 Rosselli, Stefano 2384 52
>>>>>>>46 Menchik, Vera 2358 23
>>>>>>>47 Prokes, Ladislav 2328 45
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