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Subject: Re: Troitzky 1914, ultimate test

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 11:29:33 06/15/01

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On June 15, 2001 at 12:33:29, Jim Monaghan wrote:

>On June 15, 2001 at 10:06:00, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On June 15, 2001 at 09:25:16, Jim Monaghan wrote:
>>
>>>On June 15, 2001 at 06:00:35, Andreas Stabel wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 15, 2001 at 04:49:59, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 15, 2001 at 02:54:51, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On June 15, 2001 at 02:40:05, Jim Monaghan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well here it is folks. It's definitely not worth trying. I'm only posting it as
>>>>>>>a curiousity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>White to move and mate in 92 moves. Er, that's 183 plies ... :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>[D] 7K/5p1p/3p2p1/B5pr/4n1pb/3N1bk1/4prn1/6RR w - - 0 1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don't just leave us hanging!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Be1 looks forced for sure.  Then what? ... f5? ... d5?
>>>>>>Where can I find the move sequence that leads to inescapable victory?
>>>>>
>>>>>I did not investigate the exact number of moves to mate but
>>>>>I can explain the idea white needs to waste tempos in order to force black to
>>>>>play pawn moves and finally to lose the rook and the game.
>>>>>>>>The idea of a simple traingle does not work because the black knight can play a
>>>>>check move with the knight, free the pieces, and win the game so we need to look
>>>>>for safe squares for the king.
>>>>>
>>>>>We can find that all the black squares are safe for the king.
>>>>>The white squares are not safe for the king except c2 so we need this square in
>>>>>order to lose a tempo.
>>>>>
>>>>>White can find the following idea of wasting a tempo after Be1 by 22 plies
>>>>>
>>>>>Kh8-g7-f8-e7-d8-c7-b6-a5-b4-a3-b2-c2-c1-b2-a3-b4-a5-b6-c7-d8-e7-f8-g7
>>>>>
>>>>>Black can play all the time Rh6-Rh5 moves but when the king gets into g7 black
>>>>>need to move a pawn in order not to lose the rook
>>>>>playing f7-f6 gives white the g8 square so it does not significantly help black.
>>>>>Black also needs to play d6-d5 in order to prevent Kf7 and after these moves
>>>>>black has 4 pawns moves(f5,f4,d4,h6) so white needs a lot of moves to convince
>>>>>black to play these moves and avoid the Rh6-Rh5 story.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>Before d6-d5 the f7 square is safe for the king or alternatively before f6-f5
>>>>the g8 square is safe for the king, so the first time the king doesn't have to
>>>>go all the way to c2. After h7-h6, the rook has no moves, so the mate follows
>>>>immediately. From this I get the solution below which is "only" 70 moves.
>>>>What did I miss ?
>>>>
>>>>1. Be1 f6 2. Kg7 d5 3. Kg8 Rh6 4. Kf8 Rh5 5. Kg7 d4 6. Kf8 Rh6 7. Ke7 Rh5
>>>>8. Kd8 Rh6 9. Kc7 Rh5 10. Kb6 Rh6 11. Ka5 Rh5 12. Kb4 Rh6 13. Ka3 Rh5 14.
>>>>Kb2 Rh6 15. Kc2 Rh5 16. Kc1 Rh6 17. Kb2 Rh5 18. Ka3 Rh6 19. Kb4 Rh5 20. Ka5
>>>>Rh6 21. Kb6 Rh5 22. Kc7 Rh6 23. Kd8 Rh5 24. Ke7 Rh6 25. Kf8 Rh5 26. Kg7 f5
>>>>27. Kf8 Rh6 28. Ke7 Rh5 29. Kd8 Rh6 30. Kc7 Rh5 31. Kb6 Rh6 32. Ka5 Rh5 33.
>>>>Kb4 Rh6 34. Ka3 Rh5 35. Kb2 Rh6 36. Kc2 Rh5 37. Kc1 Rh6 38. Kb2 Rh5 39. Ka3
>>>>Rh6 40. Kb4 Rh5 41. Ka5 Rh6 42. Kb6 Rh5 43. Kc7 Rh6 44. Kd8 Rh5 45. Ke7 Rh6
>>>>46. Kf8 Rh5 47. Kg7 f4 48. Kf8 Rh6 49. Ke7 Rh5 50. Kd8 Rh6 51. Kc7 Rh5 52.
>>>>Kb6 Rh6 53. Ka5 Rh5 54. Kb4 Rh6 55. Ka3 Rh5 56. Kb2 Rh6 57. Kc2 Rh5 58. Kc1
>>>>Rh6 59. Kb2 Rh5 60. Ka3 Rh6 61. Kb4 Rh5 62. Ka5 Rh6 63. Kb6 Rh5 64. Kc7 Rh6
>>>>65. Kd8 Rh5 66. Ke7 Rh6 67. Kf8 Rh5 68. Kg7 h6 69. Kf8 Nf6 70. Bxf2# 1-0
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>Andreas Stabel
>>>
>>>Very good guys ... that's the right track. I will end the suspense.
>>>The position is from "360 Brilliant and Instructive Endgames", an addendum to
>>>#127.
>>>
>>>Troitzky's note follows:
>>>
>>>"Here after 1.Be1 Rh6 2.Kg7 Rh5; White's king returns six times to g7 waiting
>>>for Black's move Rh6.
>>
>>1.Be1 Rh6 2.Kg7 Rh5 3.Kxf7 seems to be a shorter win for white in this line.
>>What did I miss?
>>
>>Uri
>
>Uri,
>
>It makes sense to eliminate the pawn to shorten the solution. But:
>
>1. Be1 Rh6 2. Kg7 Rh5 3. Kxf7 Rh6 4. Kf8 Rh5 5. Kg7 d5 6. Kf8 Rh6 7. Kf7
>Nd6+ (7. Kg8 Nf6+). How does White triangulate to have his King at g7 when Black
>wants to play Rh5-h6? I think this draws only.

White can use the same idea that he is using with the pawn f7 in order to lose a
tempo
Kf7-e7-d8-c7-b6-a5-b4-a3-b2-c2-c1-b2-a3-b4-a5-b6-c7-d8-e7-f8-g7

Uri



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