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Subject: Re: GM's are determined by meeting FIDE TITLE criteria not by rating

Author: Bill Gletsos

Date: 06:32:31 06/16/01

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On June 16, 2001 at 06:59:56, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:

>On June 16, 2001 at 06:14:47, Bill Gletsos wrote:
>
>>If you want to claim a computer is a GM let the computer earn the GM title just
>>like any human would have to.
>>
>>Clearly a player is a GM because they meet the necessary FIDE Title criteria
>>not because they have a 2500 rating. GM's didnt get their titles because of
>>their rating but due to meeting a set of criteria that established them as
>>being of as
>>some of you would call it "GM strength". In general this criteria requires them
>>to get 2 or more GM "norms" in events covering at least 24 games(30 games
>>without a round robin or Olympiad) and a rating of at least 2500(within 7 years
>>of acheiving the first GM norm). These events have to be valid Title events.
>
>This will make it quite problematic for a computer to ever get a GM
>norm simply because most players wil refuse to play it. Also you are
>not going to find much valid title events where computers are allowed.
>The performance of the computer will depend a lot on how prepared the
>humans are to play it.
>
>The 'rating of at least 2500' is also problematic for reasons which have
>been stated already.
>
>Unless FIDE will suddenly treat computers like humans when entering into
>events and enters them in the rating lists, and waits a few years for
>the new ratings pool to stablilize and all humans learn about their new
>opponents, you are going to have an unfair situation.
>
>Even then, the only thing you will be able to say is that computers
>perform at the same level as humans when playing tournaments.
>
>I agree with Bruce that comparing humans and GM's is like comparing
>soldiers and tanks.
>
>--
>GCP

I obviously disagree with all of your points.

Chris Carson on the other hand makes some very good ones.

Bill



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