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Subject: Re: Result based standards Vs. Subjective standard for computer GM statu

Author: Gian-Carlo Pascutto

Date: 12:26:32 06/16/01

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On June 16, 2001 at 12:12:53, Mark Young wrote:

>It seems to me the arguments come down to either being for or against some kind
>of result base standard for determining GM strength status for computers.
>
>It is clear to me the only viable standard should be a results based standard.
>
>Any kind of subjects standard fails because of human ignorance. I?m amazed to
>read even here people?s ignorance when it comes to what a Grandmaster is, their
>abilities, and overall strength.
>
>For example Grandmaster?s:
>1. Make positional mistakes in all phases of the game.
>2. Make tactical mistakes at all time controls.
>3 Grandmasters can and do lose or draw games against amateur players in serious
>standard time control games.
>4.Granmasters play more then one style of chess. There is no standard ?human?
>way of playing to become a Grandmaster.
>5. Grandmaster can and do play ?ugly? moves
>6. Grandmaster win many lost games do to tactical over sites by their opponents
>7 Win very ugly games do to the opponent?s bad judgments.
>
>There are others examples of a similar nature of course. The point is all these
>also apply to computer programs as well, but the above examples have been used
>as reason why the computers should never be considered Grandmaster strength
>regardless of results.
>
>Subjective standards have no place in determining GM strength status of
>computers.  Fide *only* uses a results based standard for awarding GM status to
>humans, as any other standard would cause chaos.

I agree 100%

My question is: what would consitute GM strength by a result based definition?

I do not find a minimal ELO acceptable for reasons I have stated multiple
times. Perhaps finishing in a reasonable place (between GM's) in a normal
tournament several times is more reasonable. Problem is, there are very
few such tournaments today.

--
GCP



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