Author: Bill Gletsos
Date: 22:08:36 06/16/01
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On June 16, 2001 at 12:12:53, Mark Young wrote: >It seems to me the arguments come down to either being for or against some kind >of result base standard for determining GM strength status for computers. > >It is clear to me the only viable standard should be a results based standard. > >Any kind of subjects standard fails because of human ignorance. I’m amazed to >read even here people’s ignorance when it comes to what a Grandmaster is, their >abilities, and overall strength. > >For example Grandmaster’s: >1. Make positional mistakes in all phases of the game. >2. Make tactical mistakes at all time controls. >3 Grandmasters can and do lose or draw games against amateur players in serious >standard time control games. >4.Granmasters play more then one style of chess. There is no standard “human” >way of playing to become a Grandmaster. >5. Grandmaster can and do play “ugly” moves >6. Grandmaster win many lost games do to tactical over sites by their opponents >7 Win very ugly games do to the opponent’s bad judgments. > >There are others examples of a similar nature of course. The point is all these >also apply to computer programs as well, but the above examples have been used >as reason why the computers should never be considered Grandmaster strength >regardless of results. > >Subjective standards have no place in determining GM strength status of >computers. Fide *only* uses a results based standard for awarding GM status to >humans, as any other standard would cause chaos. I agree that subjective standrads arent any good but your continual implication that a rating of 2500 means your a GM and that FIDE says GM's are 2500 strength is blatently wrong. FIDE say no such thing. As I pointed out in another thread its the GM norms that are important not the 2500 minimum rating. If you were correct that 2500 rating meant a player was GM strength then ever player rated 2500 and over on the FIDE rating list would be a GM. A simple perusal of the April 2001 FIDE list shows that this is clearly not the case.
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