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Subject: Re: Think 2500 is too low a standard to be GM status for computers?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 12:55:50 06/17/01

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On June 17, 2001 at 14:20:17, Mark Young wrote:

>For those who think the 2500+ standard is too low a standard, here is the list
>of grandamsters in the top 1000 below 2500 elo. As you see there are many below
>2500 elo. The 2500+ elo standard is a good benchmark to be considered GM
>strength status for computers.
>
>

You are missing the point:

The FIDE GM requirements address two points:

1.  consistent play.  You must maintain a 2500+ rating while you work on
the second requirement.  If you drop below 2500, you can't earn the GM
title.  Once you have been awarded the title, you _can_ then drop below
2500.  Several GMs have done this, particularly older ones.

2.  Strong play.  You must complete three GM norms.  You must play in a
tournament with a strong enough field to qualify for a GM norm, and you
must produce a performance rating for each of these events of 2600 or
above.

The idea is that you will have consistently played at a GM-rating-level, and
that you will have also played in three tough events and produced a rating of
2600+ for each of those events.  The thinking is that if you can produce three
2600+ events, _and_ keep your rating over 2500, then you probably _are_ a GM
and not just a "blinding flash and deafening report" that will disappear real
quick.

The three 2600 results are probably harder to do than maintain the 2500+
rating, because you can be more selective in who you play to keep that 2500+
rating alive and well.  But the 2600+ component is not easy, because draws
are not going to be enough to do that if you lose even a game or two, which is
going to happen.



>
>Rank, Name,         Title,   Rating.
>
>560 Kaminski, Marcin  g POL 2499 10.03.77 M
>562 Loginov, Valery A  g RUS 2499 13.12.55 M
>565 Tolnai, Tibor  g HUN 2499 23.09.64 M
>569 Vukic, Milan  g YUG 2498 19.08.43 M
>572 Stripunsky, Alexander  g USA 2497 18.08.70 M
>580 Wong, Meng-Kong  g SIN 2496 18.09.63 M
>581 Cifuentes Parada, Roberto  g ESP 2496 21.12.57 M
>583 Franco Ocampos, Zenon  g ESP 2496 12.05.56 M
>584 Kalinitschew, Sergey  g GER 2496 03.02.56 M
>585 Cabrilo, Goran  g YUG 2496 01.07.58 M
>586 Manor, Ilan  g ISR 2496 26.10.69 M
>587 Cramling, Pia (GM)  wg SWE 2496 23.04.63 F
>588 Antunes, Antonio  g POR 2496 06.02.62 M
>592 Totsky, Leonid  g RUS 2495 10.08.67 M
>593 Howell, James C.  g ENG 2495 17.05.67 M
>596 Janovsky, Sergey  g RUS 2495 17.02.60 M
>599 Renet, Olivier  g FRA 2494 21.12.64 M
>601 Barua, Dibyendu  g IND 2494 27.10.66 M
>604 Godena, Michele  g ITA 2494 30.06.67 M
>608 Schlosser, Philipp  g GER 2493 19.08.68 M
>610 Marjanovic, Slavoljub  g YUG 2493 06.01.55 M
>611 Van Der Wiel, John T.H.  g NED 2493 09.08.59 M
>612 Komliakov, Viktor  g MDA 2493 25.04.60 M
>613 Strikovic, Aleksa  g YUG 2493 12.05.61 M
>616 Tisdall, Jonathan D  g NOR 2492 26.08.58 M
>619 Badea, Bela  g ROM 2492 21.02.69 M
>620 Zapata, Alonso  g COL 2492 22.08.58 M
>622 Tseitlin, Mark D  g ISR 2492 23.09.43 M
>623 Arbakov, Valentin  g RUS 2491 28.01.52 M
>624 Smyslov, Vassily  g RUS 2491 24.03.21 M
>625 Kekelidze, Mikheil  g GEO 2491 14.09.74 M
>628 Dervishi, Erald  g ALB 2491 10.11.79 M
>630 Finkel, Alexander  g ISR 2490 01.01.75 M
>631 Liang, Jinrong  g CHN 2490 21.05.60 M
>633 Matanovic, Aleksandar  g YUG 2490 23.05.30 M
>634 Garcia, Gildardo  g COL 2490 09.03.54 M
>635 McShane, Luke J.  g ENG 2490 07.01.84 M
>636 Drazic, Sinisa  g YUG 2490 16.12.67 M
>637 Klovans, Janis  g LAT 2490 09.04.35 M
>639 Rajkovic, Dusan  g YUG 2490 17.06.42 M
>640 Al-Modiahki, Mohamad  g QAT 2490 01.06.74 M
>646 Iuldachev, Saidali  g UZB 2489 31.01.68 M
>647 Schmittdiel, Eckhard  g GER 2489 13.05.60 M
>648 Kishnev, Sergey  g RUS 2489 01.11.56 M
>649 Palatnik, Semon  g USA 2489 26.03.50 M
>652 Guseinov, Aidyn  g AZE 2489   M
>654 Grivas, Efstratios  g GRE 2489 30.03.66 M
>657 Mestel, A. Jonathan  g ENG 2488 13.03.57 M
>658 Vorobiov, Evgeny E.  g RUS 2488 13.12.76 M
>665 Larsen, Bent  g DEN 2487 04.03.35 M
>666 Abramovic, Bosko  g YUG 2487 14.02.51 M
>669 Zakharevich, Igor  g RUS 2487 14.07.63 M
>670 Zarnicki, Pablo  g ARG 2487 12.11.72 M
>673 Gutman, Lev  g GER 2486 26.09.45 M
>675 Janjgava, Lasha  g GEO 2486 05.05.70 M
>677 Lopushnoy, Denis  g RUS 2485 30.01.77 M
>679 Krogius, Nikolai V  g RUS 2485 22.07.30 M
>680 Antic, Dejan  g YUG 2485 09.12.68 M
>681 Farago, Ivan  g HUN 2485 01.04.46 M
>682 Ashley, Maurice  g USA 2484 06.03.66 M
>683 Velimirovic, Dragoljub  g YUG 2484 12.05.42 M
>686 Relange, Eloi  g FRA 2484 01.07.76 M
>688 Jaracz, Pawel  g POL 2484 22.07.75 M
>691 Kogan, Artur  g ISR 2484 29.01.74 M
>692 Djuric, Stefan  g YUG 2483 26.07.55 M
>693 Lanka, Zigurds  g LAT 2483 21.05.60 M
>695 Ivanovic, Bozidar  g YUG 2483 24.08.49 M
>697 Meduna, Eduard  g CZE 2483 11.09.50 M
>698 Groszpeter, Attila  g HUN 2483 09.06.60 M
>703 Inkiov, Ventzislav  g BUL 2482 19.05.56 M
>704 Urday, Henry  g PER 2482 05.07.67 M
>705 Brunner, Lucas  g SUI 2482 29.05.67 M
>707 Balinov, Ilija  g AUT 2482 28.07.66 M
>710 Zilberman, Yaacov  g ISR 2481 26.05.54 M
>716 Hatanbaatar, Bazar  g MGL 2481 25.02.73 M
>718 Gligoric, Svetozar  g YUG 2481 02.02.23 M
>724 Parma, Bruno  g SLO 2480 30.12.41 M
>725 Vokac, Marek  g CZE 2480 06.12.58 M
>729 Gausel, Einar  g NOR 2480 30.11.63 M
>730 Rodriguez, Amador  g CUB 2480 08.09.56 M
>731 Efimov, Igor  g ITA 2480 16.09.60 M
>734 Mohr, Georg  g SLO 2480 02.02.65 M
>740 Stangl, Markus  g GER 2479 29.04.69 M
>741 Garcia Ilundain, David  g ESP 2479 02.04.71 M
>745 Ermenkov, Evgenij  g BUL 2478 29.09.49 M
>747 Gheorghiu, Florin  g ROM 2478 06.04.44 M
>749 Keitlinghaus, Ludger  g GER 2478 24.07.65 M
>753 Todorcevic, Miodrag  g YUG 2478 10.11.40 M
>760 Pfleger, Helmut Dr.  g GER 2477 06.08.43 M
>761 Legky, Nikolay A  g UKR 2477 11.04.55 M
>762 Nikcevic, Nebojsa  g YUG 2476   M
>763 Karlsson, Lars  g SWE 2476 11.07.55 M
>764 Asanov, Bolat  g KAZ 2476 07.05.61 M
>766 Tyomkin, Dimitri  g ISR 2476 25.03.77 M
>767 Gurevich, Vladimir  g UKR 2476 04.08.59 M
>769 Flear, Glenn C.  g ENG 2476 12.02.59 M
>776 Lazic, Miroljub  g YUG 2475 28.06.66 M
>781 Rodriguez, Orestes  g ESP 2474 04.07.43 M
>784 Djurhuus, Rune  g NOR 2474 25.01.70 M
>791 Miralles, Gilles  g FRA 2473 08.02.66 M
>793 Olafsson, Helgi  g ISL 2473 15.08.56 M
>794 Gunawan, Ruben  g INA 2473 17.04.68 M
>796 Kouatly, Bachar  g FRA 2473 03.03.58 M
>800 Mainka, Romuald  g GER 2472 15.05.63 M
>802 Komljenovic, Davor  g CRO 2472 01.07.44 M
>803 Sherzer, Alex  g USA 2472 01.02.71 M
>804 Yandemirov, Valeri  g RUS 2472 11.02.63 M
>818 Panno, Oscar  g ARG 2471 17.03.35 M
>823 Raicevic, Vladimir  g YUG 2470 02.05.49 M
>824 Garcia Palermo, Carlos  g ARG 2470 02.12.53 M
>826 Evans, Larry M.  g USA 2470 22.03.32 M
>827 Petrosian, Arshak B  g ARM 2470 16.12.53 M
>832 Jansa, Vlastimil  g CZE 2470 27.11.42 M
>836 Teske, Henrik  g GER 2469 28.02.68 M
>838 Zlochevskij, Alexander  g ITA 2469 25.06.63 M
>841 Anic, Darko  g FRA 2469 30.04.57 M
>842 Davies, Nigel R  g ENG 2469 31.07.60 M
>845 Mokry, Karel  g CZE 2469 07.02.59 M
>846 Popchev, Milko  g BUL 2469 11.11.64 M
>850 Chernikov, Oleg L  g RUS 2468 15.10.36 M
>853 Shaked, Tal  g USA 2468 05.02.78 M
>870 Gufeld, Eduard  g USA 2466 19.03.36 M
>871 Zagrebelny, Sergey  g UZB 2466   M
>872 De La Villa Garcia, Jesus M.  g ESP 2466 30.06.58 M
>878 Vogt, Lothar  g GER 2465 17.01.52 M
>889 Fernandez Garcia, Jose Luis  g ESP 2465 03.05.54 M
>891 Filip, Miroslav  g CZE 2465 27.10.28 M
>892 Cebalo, Miso  g CRO 2465 06.02.45 M
>900 Beshukov, Sergei  g RUS 2463 01.04.71 M
>902 Akesson, Ralf  g SWE 2463 08.02.61 M
>904 Bogdanovski, Vlatko  g MKD 2463 31.12.64 M
>908 Sigurjonsson, Gudmundur  g ISL 2463 25.09.47 M
>924 Haba, Petr  g CZE 2461 06.01.65 M
>925 Plaskett, Jim  g ENG 2461 18.03.60 M
>929 Olafsson, Fridrik  g ISL 2460 26.01.35 M
>931 De Vreugt, Dennis  g NED 2460 04.11.80 M
>948 Lukacs, Peter  g HUN 2458 09.07.50 M
>952 Lupu, Mircea-Sergiu  g FRA 2458 28.08.62 M
>960 Murshed, Niaz  g BAN 2457 13.05.66 M
>984 Anagnostopoulos, Dimitri  g GRE 2455 11.06.70 M
>987 Keene, Raymond D.  g ENG 2455 29.01.48 M
>993 Lombardy, William J  g USA 2455 04.12.37 M

• Re: Think 2500 is too low a standard to be GM status for computers? Chris Carson 16:00:14 06/17/01
  • Re: Think 2500 is too low a standard to be GM status for computers? Robert Hyatt 18:00:25 06/17/01
    • Re: Think 2500 is too low a standard to be GM status for computers? Andrew Dados 02:37:45 06/18/01
    • Re: Think 2500 is too low a standard to be GM status for computers? Bill Gletsos 02:04:49 06/18/01
      • Re: Think 2500 is too low a standard to be GM status for computers? Robert Hyatt 07:45:48 06/18/01
      • Re: Think 2500 is too low a standard to be GM status for computers? Chris Carson 03:28:46 06/18/01
• Re: Think 2500 is too low a standard to be GM status for computers? Mark Young 13:29:06 06/17/01

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