Author: Bill Gletsos
Date: 02:04:49 06/18/01
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On June 17, 2001 at 21:00:25, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On June 17, 2001 at 19:00:14, Chris Carson wrote: > >>On June 17, 2001 at 15:55:50, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On June 17, 2001 at 14:20:17, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>For those who think the 2500+ standard is too low a standard, here is the list >>>>of grandamsters in the top 1000 below 2500 elo. As you see there are many below >>>>2500 elo. The 2500+ elo standard is a good benchmark to be considered GM >>>>strength status for computers. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>You are missing the point: >>> >>>The FIDE GM requirements address two points: >>> >>>1. consistent play. You must maintain a 2500+ rating while you work on >>>the second requirement. If you drop below 2500, you can't earn the GM >>>title. Once you have been awarded the title, you _can_ then drop below >>>2500. Several GMs have done this, particularly older ones. >>> >>>2. Strong play. You must complete three GM norms. You must play in a >>>tournament with a strong enough field to qualify for a GM norm, and you >>>must produce a performance rating for each of these events of 2600 or >>>above. >>> >>>The idea is that you will have consistently played at a GM-rating-level, and >>>that you will have also played in three tough events and produced a rating of >>>2600+ for each of those events. The thinking is that if you can produce three >>>2600+ events, _and_ keep your rating over 2500, then you probably _are_ a GM >>>and not just a "blinding flash and deafening report" that will disappear real >>>quick. >>> >> >>Two GM norms (3 are not requred, 2600+). 2500+ for 24 games (30 if no round >>robin). Events must be 80% FIDE rated players, 50% FIDE titled, and have a >>minimum of 3 GM's. > > >Has this changed? I was at the Marshal Chess Club when everybody was buzzing >because (then) IM Maurice Ashley had just gotten his _third_ GM norm... > > Bob, It has always been 2 norms but it is not as simple as Chris would imply. There is no requirement for a 2500+ rating for 24 games but a 2600 performance over 24 games. A player is required to score two or more norms over 24 games plus attain a rating of 2500 within 7 years of his first GM norm. For example if a player scores a GM norm in a 12 round round robin and another GM norm in a 12 round Swiss and the players rating reaches 2500 any time within 7 yeras of his first GM norm then he earns the GM title. However If he earns a GM norm in 8 round round robin and a GM norm in a 10 round swiss the player needs to earn another GM norm in a tournament of at least 6 rounds to gain the GM title. Essentially its trying to prove that the player attained a 2600 performance rating over 24 games although its not worded in those terms. For the majority of players they cannot earn the GM title with just 2 norms because they cant get the 24 game requirement in 2 title tournaments so it takes them usually 3 GM norms over 3 tournaments plus of course the 2500 rating requirement to gain the GM title. Bill > > > >> >>See: Requirements for Titles (section 1.1): >>http://handbook.fide.com/handbook.cgi?level=B&level=01&level=01& >> >>See: Requirement for Title results (section 10.0): >>http://handbook.fide.com/handbook.cgi?level=B&level=01&level=10& >> >>Final note: Several programs have the performance 2500+ and on 500MHZ machines >>(232 games). Several progrms have achieved 2600+ on 866MHZ machines and above. >> >>No program has achieved the second norm for a title, never will since they are >>banned from play and will never get the GM title. However the programs have >>proven themselves to be 2600+ players and as I have said all along, for me >>performance is the important factor, performance based on results. >> >>Best Regards, >>Chris Carson >> >>>The three 2600 results are probably harder to do than maintain the 2500+ >>>rating, because you can be more selective in who you play to keep that 2500+ >>>rating alive and well. 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