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Subject: Re: Look at these finnish GMs (specially Bob) :-)

Author: Peter Fendrich

Date: 11:23:25 06/18/01

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On June 18, 2001 at 13:41:25, Mark Young wrote:

>On June 18, 2001 at 12:42:01, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On June 18, 2001 at 08:21:54, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>
>>>Here in Finland we have 3 GMs. Here's from their ratings from fide:
>>>
>>>500011  Yrjola, Jouni                   g 2419 2 24.10.1959
>>>500020  Westerinen, Heikki M.J.         g 2412 10 27.4.1944
>>>500038  Rantanen, Yrjo A.               g 2327 0  23.4.1950
>>>
>>>You can give computer a knight handicap to get interesting match...
>>>
>>>Jouni
>
>Quoted from Bob's post:
>
>"So picking a bunch of GMs with ratings of 2400 and then saying "hey, computers
>are this good, so..." doesn't make much sense.  Because at _some_ point in time,
>those 2400 GM players were 2600+ GM players, otherwise they would not have
>gotten the title..."
>
>You are Dead Wrong again Bob, we will take the 3 Grandmasters from the previous
>post for example. Not one of these Grandmasters was ever close to 2600 elo and
>in fact only one of these grandmasters was able to best 2500+ elo. As usual in
>this argument your theory falls apart in the light of FACTS.
>
>
>Yrjola, Jouni GM
>best elo 2515, 1984
>
>Westerinen, Heikki M.J. GM
>best elo 2485, 1976
>
>Rantanen, Yrjo A. GM
>best elo 2460, 1979

FIDE had a "Central Committee Meeting" at Oosterbeek in Sept 1975.
At that meeting they changed the regulations for awarding IM and GM titles.
They approved a proposition to add rating requirement to title norms (2400 and
2500 respectively for IM and GM titles). Before that the rules did not include
ratings at all. Only tournament peak performances and a "Qualification
Commission" that made their judgements and proposals.
At the same time the "Qualification Commission" proposed that Heikki Westerinen,
Alexander Beljavsky and 8 other players should be awarded the GM title. That
proposal was approved in the same meeting. Heikki had at that time 2485 and have
never exceeded that rating as far as I know.
//Peter



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