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Subject: Re: Look at these finnish GMs (specially Bob) :-)

Author: Mark Young

Date: 11:37:04 06/18/01

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On June 18, 2001 at 14:23:25, Peter Fendrich wrote:

>On June 18, 2001 at 13:41:25, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On June 18, 2001 at 12:42:01, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On June 18, 2001 at 08:21:54, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>
>>>>Here in Finland we have 3 GMs. Here's from their ratings from fide:
>>>>
>>>>500011  Yrjola, Jouni                   g 2419 2 24.10.1959
>>>>500020  Westerinen, Heikki M.J.         g 2412 10 27.4.1944
>>>>500038  Rantanen, Yrjo A.               g 2327 0  23.4.1950
>>>>
>>>>You can give computer a knight handicap to get interesting match...
>>>>
>>>>Jouni
>>
>>Quoted from Bob's post:
>>
>>"So picking a bunch of GMs with ratings of 2400 and then saying "hey, computers
>>are this good, so..." doesn't make much sense.  Because at _some_ point in time,
>>those 2400 GM players were 2600+ GM players, otherwise they would not have
>>gotten the title..."
>>
>>You are Dead Wrong again Bob, we will take the 3 Grandmasters from the previous
>>post for example. Not one of these Grandmasters was ever close to 2600 elo and
>>in fact only one of these grandmasters was able to best 2500+ elo. As usual in
>>this argument your theory falls apart in the light of FACTS.
>>
>>
>>Yrjola, Jouni GM
>>best elo 2515, 1984
>>
>>Westerinen, Heikki M.J. GM
>>best elo 2485, 1976
>>
>>Rantanen, Yrjo A. GM
>>best elo 2460, 1979
>
>FIDE had a "Central Committee Meeting" at Oosterbeek in Sept 1975.
>At that meeting they changed the regulations for awarding IM and GM titles.
>They approved a proposition to add rating requirement to title norms (2400 and
>2500 respectively for IM and GM titles).

Correct, and this was good move by FIDE. As it is much harder to achieve a 2500+
elo rating the make TPR's for Grandmaster status.


 Before that the rules did not include
>ratings at all. Only tournament peak performances and a "Qualification
>Commission" that made their judgements and proposals.
>At the same time the "Qualification Commission" proposed that Heikki Westerinen,
>Alexander Beljavsky and 8 other players should be awarded the GM title. That
>proposal was approved in the same meeting. Heikki had at that time 2485 and have
>never exceeded that rating as far as I know.
>//Peter



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