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Subject: Re: Look at these finnish GMs (specially Bob) :-)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 12:11:14 06/18/01

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On June 18, 2001 at 14:31:53, Mark Young wrote:

>On June 18, 2001 at 14:15:05, Côme wrote:
>
>>On June 18, 2001 at 13:41:25, Mark Young wrote:
>>
>>>On June 18, 2001 at 12:42:01, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 18, 2001 at 08:21:54, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Here in Finland we have 3 GMs. Here's from their ratings from fide:
>>>>>
>>>>>500011  Yrjola, Jouni                   g 2419 2 24.10.1959
>>>>>500020  Westerinen, Heikki M.J.         g 2412 10 27.4.1944
>>>>>500038  Rantanen, Yrjo A.               g 2327 0  23.4.1950
>>>>>
>>>>>You can give computer a knight handicap to get interesting match...
>>>>>
>>>>>Jouni
>>>
>>>Quoted from Bob's post:
>>>
>>>"So picking a bunch of GMs with ratings of 2400 and then saying "hey, computers
>>>are this good, so..." doesn't make much sense.  Because at _some_ point in time,
>>>those 2400 GM players were 2600+ GM players, otherwise they would not have
>>>gotten the title..."
>>>
>>>You are Dead Wrong again Bob, we will take the 3 Grandmasters from the previous
>>>post for example. Not one of these Grandmasters was ever close to 2600 elo and
>>>in fact only one of these grandmasters was able to best 2500+ elo. As usual in
>>>this argument your theory falls apart in the light of FACTS.
>>
>>Hello !!
>>You forgot one important thing : They all had +2500 in intermediate elo !
>>the elo you give is the best rating published.
>>They all made Gm norms (TPR +2600) and had +2500 betwenn 2 fide list.
>>best regards
>>Alexandre Come
>
>You are making my point, it is much easier to make TPR's then hold a elo of
>2500+ for computers to be considered GM strength. If a computer can hold a 2500+
>elo it is performing better then alot of grandmssters, and should be considered
>Grandmaster strength.

The question is what is the meaning of grandmaster strength
If being better than a lot of grandmasters mean GM strength than IM's who can
hold elo of 2500+ should be considered also as GM strength.

I think that Bob do not mean to this by the words GM strength.

I think that he means the strength that you need to become a GM.
You can have lower strength later without losing the GM title.

Uri



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